Nitrogen Death Penalty

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Witnesses did not describe that he was unconscious in seconds, as state officials had stated and hoped. I heard more than one witness saying the state official witnesses appeared stunned by what they were seeing….


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[fishonjazz]

Why not just prison for life? Seems to me like that would be a plenty bad punishment. And if you later find out that the person was innocent, well at least they’re still alive and can be released.

Speaking for myself, I would be begging for the death penalty if option #2 was life in prison.

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[Sardines]

Speaking for myself, I would be begging for the death penalty if option #2 was life in prison.

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Which is just one more reason why there shouldn't be a death penalty. Sit in a cell and think about what you did.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Think they since passed a law in Alabama that does not permit a judge to ignore a jury’s decision.

Makes sense. Alabama’s one of the most “pro life” states in the nation. It explains why their schools are so awful, poverty so high, gun violence astronomical, and quality of life so low.

 

[Rubashov]

This method could be less traumatic I think. What about giving nitrous first then this, might ease it through better.

Ever tried to keep a mask or a hood on a person who doesn't want it? Even on a restrained person its not pretty.

 

[Rubashov]

Alabama executes a man with nitrogen gas, the first time the new method has been used

Kenneth Eugene Smith, a 58-year-old convicted killer, has become the first person in the U.S. to be executed with nitrogen gas at a South Alabama prison.

apnews.com

ATMORE, Ala. (AP) — Alabama executed a convicted murderer with nitrogen gas Thursday, putting him to death with a first-of-its-kind method that once again placed the U.S. at the forefront of the debate over capital punishment. The state said the method would be humane, but critics called it cruel and experimental.

Officials said Kenneth Eugene Smith, 58, was pronounced dead at 8:25 p.m. at an Alabama prison after breathing pure nitrogen gas through a face mask to cause oxygen deprivation. It marked the first time that a new execution method has been used in the United States since lethal injection, now the most commonly used method, was introduced in 1982.

Thoughts?

Well the Germans really refined this method in the 40s didn't they? Great day for the US to be bringing back the technology and methodology of Nazi Germany.

 

[Rubashov]

The guillotine is actual fairly humane as it is so fast, severs your spinal cord in a split second, just gory. When people are causing painful murders to get on death row, I am not too sympathetic if they have a less tham painful departure, although I'm against the death penalty in general.

That said, I am still waiting for society to denegrate to the point where we air it on tv for sport like Running Man. At least give them a sporting chance of winning (like Whitman, Price and Haddad).

Public executions were mass entertainment in their day. Punters would be hung or beheaded in the market square, local traders would set at stalls to sell to the crowds of peasants who'd folk to town for the festivities or to watch their starving neighbour be executed for stealing a loaf of bread, local dignitaries would rent rooms overlooking the gallows and have elegant parties in anticipation of the show. Actually sounds like a fun weekend in Riyadh....

 

[Rubashov]

This is really what lethal injection is supposed to do. Not sure why there have been so many problems with it. Seems weird they can completely knock you out and literally paralyze you for major surgeries but can't make it work that way with LI.

I was just reading the Ohio state protocols for lethal injection and they are barbaric. Im pleased the Europeans are refusing to supply the drugs required for this practice to continue. In been involved in a few hundred intubations in my time, they're almost never easy and well pretty interesting.

 

[Eminence]

Which is just one more reason why there shouldn't be a death penalty. Sit in a cell and think about what you did.

Don't really grok the punitive appeal for folks on any side of the issue.

Ideally prison gets folks back on track in life but in extreme cases removes members from society who've proven they can't be trusted. Hopefully they can still have somewhat productive/rewarding lives behind bars (though obviously a long ways to go on that).

I generally support the right to die as one of the most fundamental human rights, and so would prefer the decision to spend life in prison or to end their life should be up to each individual facing a life sentence.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Don't really grok the punitive appeal for folks on any side of the issue.

I totally get wanting the worst of the worst to be erased. If someone deliberately ended the life of my wife or kid, I'd kill them. There would be no arrest, and no jury if I found them first. That said, I am against capital punishment. I do not trust the government with having that power. Even for the worst of the worst I expect my government to be more restrained than I am, to be more righteous than I am. I thought it was put well by the fictional candidate Mike Morris played by George Clooney in The Ides of March.

 

[Sardines]

Don't really grok the punitive appeal for folks on any side of the issue.

Ideally prison gets folks back on track in life but in extreme cases removes members from society who've proven they can't be trusted. Hopefully they can still have somewhat productive/rewarding lives behind bars (though obviously a long ways to go on that).

I generally support the right to die as one of the most fundamental human rights, and so would prefer the decision to spend life in prison or to end their life should be up to each individual facing a life sentence.

I like your take.

I would add one benefit of having the death penalty on the table, it encourages some people to take a plea deal in order to avoid it. I think that is basically the only benefit of a death penalty.

 

[Sardines]

I totally get wanting the worst of the worst to be erased. If someone deliberately ended the life of my wife or kid, I'd kill them. There would be no arrest, and no jury if I found them first. That said, I am against capital punishment. I do not trust the government with having that power. Even for the worst of the worst I expect my government to be more restrained than I am, to be more righteous than I am. I thought it was put well by the fictional candidate Mike Morris played by George Clooney in The Ides of March.

I pretty much agree with you completely. If someone murdered my family and I had the means I would kill them. I also do not trust the government to kill citizens. I mean just based on their track record they aren't good at killing the right people for the right reasons. Our justice system would have to be essentially infallible for me to give grudging support for a death penalty. I also strongly agree with you that while I would want vengeance if someone killed people close to me I expect our justice system to be better than I would be in that situation. Justice should be dispassionate in regard to specific results.