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Found this on another site and yes I know it has been discussed already, but it is a little slow here until the first summer league game.

Supposedly Mo was brought back to give the team toughness and be a leader. I know what toughness is. It is Earl Watson going over to get in Dirk's face to stick up for a young player. I know what being a veteran leader is, and someone who can help young players learn the game. It's Jamal Tinsley and Devin Harris taking Alec Burks aside during a dead ball to tell him what he did wrong on a certain play and make it a teaching moment. I watched those things happen. I'm not saying Mo Williams didn't do anything like that last season, but I don't remember him doing it. Again, I don't pretend to be objective so it might just be my bias clouding what he did contribute, but I failed to see where his toughness and veteran leadership made the team better. The same can't be said about Al Jefferson whose fingerprints were all over the development of Favors and Kanter, just for comparison's sake.

And then we have the bomb that Mo has said he won't come back to the Jazz unless he is the starter. It is probably being blown out of proportion, and I have no idea how reliable the source who leaked the information is. But the juxtaposition of the way Mo appears to be handling this situation and what Trey Burke said in the press conference is comical. Burke basically said he would want to start but he would come off the bench if that is what the team needed and he would work hard in every practice to earn being a starter. Oh and he said he would still be a leader even if he was coming off the bench. Did I mention how excited I am that the Jazz drafted this kid? So pumped.
So do we really need Mo back, and starting for the Utah Jazz? Let me rattle off some numbers and I will let you decide. Most of these stats come from 82games.com. Mo played 35% of the total Jazz PG minutes last year. His PER for 48 minutes of production was 14.1, that's below average. Let me put some emphasis on this. It is not just below average for starting PGs, which would be significantly higher. It is below average for an NBA player. Mo Williams isn't an average NBA player and he is demanding that he start. So there's that. But that isn't the whole story. Basketball is a two way game. On defense he gave up a 19.3 PER per 48 minutes of production, for an astounding -5.2. I know there are some inherent problems with using stats like this. That's fine. I personally like to use stats to confirm what I watch on the court. And what I saw was a PG who couldn't guard his shadow and who kind of sucked the life out of the offense.
Competition is a good thing. For two years now we have been told that we don't want our young players to be entitled to minutes and roles (not rolls, everyone deserves rolls) on the team without earning it. If Mo is brought back, it will be because he is going to be the starter (again if that source is to be trusted he said he won't be back unless he's the starter) without a competition. Supposedly that is something the Jazz as a team is against. I want to believe minutes are earned on this team. Prove it by letting Mo walk.
 
Found this on another site and yes I know it has been discussed already, but it is a little slow here until the first summer league game.

Supposedly Mo was brought back to give the team toughness and be a leader. I know what toughness is. It is Earl Watson going over to get in Dirk's face to stick up for a young player. I know what being a veteran leader is, and someone who can help young players learn the game. It's Jamal Tinsley and Devin Harris taking Alec Burks aside during a dead ball to tell him what he did wrong on a certain play and make it a teaching moment. I watched those things happen. I'm not saying Mo Williams didn't do anything like that last season, but I don't remember him doing it. Again, I don't pretend to be objective so it might just be my bias clouding what he did contribute, but I failed to see where his toughness and veteran leadership made the team better. The same can't be said about Al Jefferson whose fingerprints were all over the development of Favors and Kanter, just for comparison's sake.

And then we have the bomb that Mo has said he won't come back to the Jazz unless he is the starter. It is probably being blown out of proportion, and I have no idea how reliable the source who leaked the information is. But the juxtaposition of the way Mo appears to be handling this situation and what Trey Burke said in the press conference is comical. Burke basically said he would want to start but he would come off the bench if that is what the team needed and he would work hard in every practice to earn being a starter. Oh and he said he would still be a leader even if he was coming off the bench. Did I mention how excited I am that the Jazz drafted this kid? So pumped.
So do we really need Mo back, and starting for the Utah Jazz? Let me rattle off some numbers and I will let you decide. Most of these stats come from 82games.com. Mo played 35% of the total Jazz PG minutes last year. His PER for 48 minutes of production was 14.1, that's below average. Let me put some emphasis on this. It is not just below average for starting PGs, which would be significantly higher. It is below average for an NBA player. Mo Williams isn't an average NBA player and he is demanding that he start. So there's that. But that isn't the whole story. Basketball is a two way game. On defense he gave up a 19.3 PER per 48 minutes of production, for an astounding -5.2. I know there are some inherent problems with using stats like this. That's fine. I personally like to use stats to confirm what I watch on the court. And what I saw was a PG who couldn't guard his shadow and who kind of sucked the life out of the offense.
Competition is a good thing. For two years now we have been told that we don't want our young players to be entitled to minutes and roles (not rolls, everyone deserves rolls) on the team without earning it. If Mo is brought back, it will be because he is going to be the starter (again if that source is to be trusted he said he won't be back unless he's the starter) without a competition. Supposedly that is something the Jazz as a team is against. I want to believe minutes are earned on this team. Prove it by letting Mo walk.

If Mo didn't get hrt the Jazz make the playoffs. If we're going full tank mode let Michael Stockton play PG all year with Trey.
 
Like it or not but the Jazz' priority this offseason is bringing back:

1. Millsap
2. Mo

despite me only wanting Carroll and Tinsley back... The Jazz have a mancrush on both of them...
 
If Mo didn't get hrt the Jazz make the playoffs. If we're going full tank mode let Michael Stockton play PG all year with Trey.

Burke, Tinsley and Stockton. Not bad, not bad. Nice thinking. Jazz can continue their positive blast-from-the-past PR campaign with a minimum contract that assists a tank (no pun intended). Repped.
 
Mo William sucks donkey (something I can't say. Can't afford another infraction). He will ruin the development of our young players. He kills ball movement and he has no idea how to run the pick and roll which is what we are trying to teach our young bigs and Trey.
Get rid of him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hayward and Burks will never become complete players if Mo Williams stays. Same with Kanter and Favors.
GET RID OF THESE OUT OF CONTROL POINT GUARDS WHO FORCE OUTSIDE SHOTS!
 
Bad in the clutch.
Plays selfish at times.
Turnouver prone.
Seems out of control way too often.
Overdribbles too often.
Inconsistent shooter and scorer.
Bad defender.
Not that much of an impact player.
Me first attitude.
Very overrated.
A backup.

Fact: The Jazz were better last year without him.

Can someone explain me why the Jazz want this guy back?
 
Bring in Maynor or Stockton and Tinsley.

Mo clearly still wants to be the man, and might not be good for team chemistry.
 
The real reason that we don't want Mo back: Pick and roll.

Think about it, Malone is going to be working with our big men, and he was the king of pick and roll basketball on the forward side. Our two new point guards are both well known as pick and roll point guards. We have a chance to become the premier pick and roll team in the NBA; but Mo not only doesn't seem to do the pick and roll, he might be the reason that the whole team didn't do it. We already have a drive and dish combo guard in Alec, we don't need another one, and that's what Mo is.

He has value, but he isn't the direction the team needs to go.
 
Maynor signed with the Wizards

Maynor is already off the market.

I think he was talking about Maynard.

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