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Number One, the ejection was ridiculous. I don't think it was even a Flagrant One because Jokic made a play on the ball not on Payne's face. Plus I thought it speaks volumes about the exceptional character of Jokic, the way he responded to the call.

Yes, if CP3 continues his stellar play, the Suns are going all the way. He's playing the best ever in his career.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Number One, the ejection was ridiculous. I don't think it was even a Flagrant One because Jokic made a play on the ball not on Payne's face. Plus I thought it speaks volumes about the exceptional character of Jokic, the way he responded to the call.

Yes, if CP3 continues his stellar play, the Suns are going all the way. He's playing the best ever in his career.
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It was a flagrant.. too much wind up and clear intent to foul the guy. Ejection? not sure. Based on how the game is called right now that is definitely a flagrant though.

CP is good but I want to see this Suns team with a full strength playoff team. I also noticed he isn't shooting threes yet... not sure he can get away with that in the next two rounds. His shoulder better be right. The Suns sweep of Denver says a lot about the Blazers imo. Denver is a shell of a team without Murray and with Porter and Barton limited. They still whooped Portland. Suns exposed them. Suns ended up with a cushy road to the conference finals... the next series is the real test for them.
 
cowhide said:
The ejection of Jokic was ridiculously bad. Has an MVP ever been throw out of a playoff game? I have been worried about the Suns all year. I think they are very good. Even with a healthy Jazz team the Jazz still might not beat the Suns. However the Suns have gotten lucky too. They played the Lakers with a hurt AD and then they play the Nuggets without Murray. Not saying they wouldn't have won still but there is no way they would have won so easily. Now they are going to have a long rest while the Clippers and Jazz might be heading for a six or seven game series. I would feel a lot better about the Jazz chances if DM and Conley were completely healthy.
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So, are you advocating that the refs should show favoritism to certain players? Isn't that something that bothers everyone? Stars getting calls that others don't? I actually think it is healthy that they had the guts to toss the MVP when he crossed the line. You can question if any player should have been tossed for that foul, but don't protect the MVP just because he is the MVP.
 
Even if you hit the ball swiping down that hard creates enough force to sprain a thumb or break a finger... I know I had it done to me on a play that was similar... the guys follow through took my thumb with his hand and I was out for about 6 weeks. Its a dick move. If you are frustrated with the refs don't try and hurt a guy... especially when you likely aren't moving to the next round.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It was a flagrant.. too much wind up and clear intent to foul the guy. Ejection? not sure. Based on how the game is called right now that is definitely a flagrant though.

CP is good but I want to see this Suns team with a full strength playoff team. I also noticed he isn't shooting threes yet... not sure he can get away with that in the next two rounds. His shoulder better be right. The Suns sweep of Denver says a lot about the Blazers imo. Denver is a shell of a team without Murray and with Porter and Barton limited. They still whooped Portland. Suns exposed them. Suns ended up with a cushy road to the conference finals... the next series is the real test for them.
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I disagree. There was no intent to foul. It was an obvious swipe at the ball. And in fact, winding up like that is to assure you knock the ball away. It was a clear swipe, all ball, just that he nicked the nose of Payne. They called it flagrant because he got his face, but I still disagree according to the rules -- he made a play on the ball and the contact was incidental to that. It you can't see that, then you're blind. Watch a replay.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Even if you hit the ball swiping down that hard creates enough force to sprain a thumb or break a finger... I know I had it done to me on a play that was similar... the guys follow through took my thumb with his hand and I was out for about 6 weeks. Its a dick move. If you are frustrated with the refs don't try and hurt a guy... especially when you likely aren't moving to the next round.
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I don't think he was trying to hurt the guy; he was trying to steal the ball and he would've if he hadn't barely nicked Payne's nose. I had my middle finger broken on a similar type of play in a men's league game and a foul wasn't even called -- of course, they weren't NBA refs, but our refs did officiate local high school games, so they were competent.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I don't think he was trying to hurt the guy; he was trying to steal the ball and he would've if he hadn't barely nicked Payne's nose. I had my middle finger broken on a similar type of play in a men's league game and a foul wasn't even called -- of course, they weren't NBA refs, but our refs did officiate local high school games, so they were competent.
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He wound up with intent to take a frustration foul... it was reckless imo. Hand injury or a shoulder injury can happen. It wasn't a basketball play. That is how they have called it so it was pretty consistent imo. The contact on the face wasn't intentional at all... it was a stupid non-basketball play that could have completely been avoided... homeboy wanted to hit something. You pay the price when that happens.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He wound up with intent to take a frustration foul... it was reckless imo. Hand injury or a shoulder injury can happen. It wasn't a basketball play. That is how they have called it so it was pretty consistent imo. The contact on the face wasn't intentional at all... it was a stupid non-basketball play that could have completely been avoided... homeboy wanted to hit something. You pay the price when that happens.
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But if he didn't accidentally clip his nose, it would've been a good play. It wasn't reckless like PG's tripping of Donovan at the end of Game 2. I don't think there was intent and that's the most important factor. Sure he was frustrated but when you swipe at a ball, you don't measure it, you just respond; it's spontaneous. Anyway, that's how I see it, and because of lack of intent, it should've been no worse than a Flagrant One.
 
Flagrant two was excessive. Flagrant one should have been the call because he was clearly intent on taking a foul. He was getting abused and wasn't playing well and imo, the game would have been over much earlier if he would've stayed in the game. The biggest difference in the series was coaching; Malone is not at Williams level and his important floor general was in street clothes.
 
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