NON-JAZZ NBA PLAYOFF thread

[fishonjazz]

I mean 55% from the field for the suns (clippers were 45%) is pretty hard to duplicate. Suns shooting 100% from the line probably doesn't happen again this series. Suns only having 7 turnovers in a high scoring playoff game probably isn't the norm.

Looks like for the season the suns averaged 49% from the field (55% today), 37.8% from 3 (42.6% today), 83.4% from the line (100% today) and 12.5 turnovers (7) today.

So they weren't THAT far above their norm. Also they are peaking during the playoffs so their "norm" might actually be better than the season stats, though the season stats include games against teams like houston and okc and charlotte etc etc.

This post aged well.
Thier field goal percentage came back to around thier average.
Thier free throw percentage came down though still pretty well above thier average.
Thier 3 point percentage came way down and was well below thier avearge.
Thier turnover went up a little though still below thier average. They are doing very good this series of not turning the ball over without cp3.


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[Deleted member 365]

Suns have gotta feel great. They’re 2-0 with CP3 on the mend. Payne, Booker, and Baby Amare have been unstoppable.

If you’re the Clippers, last night was a gut punch. Their team played well but P sucked. They should’ve been up by 3 if george would’ve hit his free throws. But playoff P has gotta be Playoff P…

Clippers are discovering what it’s like to defend a team that puts a ton of pressure on the rim. What Payne is doing to their defense is what they were doing to our defense.

Maybe Forrest can be that guy? We really need someone other than mitchell who can drive and get to the cup, collapsing entire defenses.

 

[fishonjazz]

Suns have gotta feel great. They’re 2-0 with CP3 on the mend. Payne, Booker, and Baby Amare have been unstoppable.

If you’re the Clippers, last night was a gut punch. Their team played well but P sucked. They should’ve been up by 3 if george would’ve hit his free throws. But playoff P has gotta be Playoff P…

Clippers are discovering what it’s like to defend a team that puts a ton of pressure on the rim. What Payne is doing to their defense is what they were doing to our defense.

Maybe Forrest can be that guy? We really need someone other than mitchell who can drive and get to the cup, collapsing entire defenses.

Of course we were up 2-0 without conley and had beat the clippers by a larger margin over the 2 games and they had kahwi playing in both our games.


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[l Abach l]

Of course we were up 2-0 without conley and had beat the clippers by a larger margin over the 2 games and they had kahwi playing in both our games.


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Those wins felt flukey though. We hung onto them by a thread due to Donovan's superhuman efforts.

I'm really not a fan of the live and die by the 3 offense we have

 

[fishonjazz]

Those wins felt flukey though. We hung onto them by a thread due to Donovan's superhuman efforts.

I'm really not a fan of the live and die by the 3 offense we have

Kinda flukey like a good free throw shooter missing 2 right at the end and then an alley oop with less than a second left when the dunker first touched the ball while it was above the cylinder?

But of course our wins were flukey and theirs were totally not.

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[NUMBERICA]

Those wins felt flukey though. We hung onto them by a thread due to Donovan's superhuman efforts.

I'm really not a fan of the live and die by the 3 offense we have

I'm a huge fan. I'm not a fan of our exploitable defense (reminder: the exploitable defense was the reason the Jazz lost).

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm a huge fan. I'm not a fan of our exploitable defense (reminder: the exploitable defense was the reason the Jazz lost).

You mean 81 points in a half isn't good defense?

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Tanking isn't an option short term unfortunately because we still owe a first round pick to Memphis. Wouldn't wanna waste a season just so we can give Memphis a high quality lottery pick.

I think this is the one of the reasons we won’t see a big pivot this year. That would come the following year when we would at least get to reap the benefit of the downside.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm a huge fan. I'm not a fan of our exploitable defense (reminder: the exploitable defense was the reason the Jazz lost).

Our playoff defense has not been good the last two years... not even in the Memphis series. I think we stick with Rudy but we need to change the scheme... no more extreme funneling and allowing mid range (becomes more important in the post season). Also need to get pressure on the ball and get some steals. If we are funneling I’d like to see us overplay more on the outside to get some turnovers.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Our playoff defense has not been good the last two years... not even in the Memphis series. I think we stick with Rudy but we need to change the scheme... no more extreme funneling and allowing mid range (becomes more important in the post season). Also need to get pressure on the ball and get some steals. If we are funneling I’d like to see us overplay more on the outside to get some turnovers.

Also, anyone trying to take a charge ever might help. Our "scheme" is that everyone (besides Royce) coasts defensively, thereby increasing the exploitability of the defense and developing bad habits for when individual/perimeter defense is actually going to matter.

This is multiple years in the making. That's what frustrates me. We've been having this same conversation every year since 2018.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Also, anyone trying to take a charge ever might help. Our "scheme" is that everyone (besides Royce) coasts defensively, thereby increasing the exploitability of the defense and developing bad habits for when individual/perimeter defense is actually going to matter.

This is multiple years in the making. That's what frustrates me. We've been having this same conversation every year since 2018.

We’ve also got a ton of “lazy” habits that are analytics based... the euro fouls, that we bitch half the time, incentivize our guys to not get back... just take a foul rather than competing anytime there is any potential fast break. If you are in the post on a mismatch rather than competing and fronting we too often just take a foul.

We just aren’t physical or tough. It’s personnel but I also think we are overly concerned about being called for fouls... I know you want to keep guys off the free throw line but we need to get up into guys and not just give them their spots. We don’t have a guy like crowder, Bev, Morris, who will get up into a guy and don’t care if it’s your star... they will jump on them grab hold fight and irritate dudes and the don’t care about your feelings. That stuff is kinda contagious and we just need it so so bad.

 

[NUMBERICA]

We’ve also got a ton of “lazy” habits that are analytics based... the euro fouls, that we bitch half the time, incentivize our guys to not get back... just take a foul rather than competing anytime there is any potential fast break. If you are in the post on a mismatch rather than competing and fronting we too often just take a foul.

We just aren’t physical or tough. It’s personnel but I also think we are overly concerned about being called for fouls... I know you want to keep guys off the free throw line but we need to get up into guys and not just give them their spots. We don’t have a guy like crowder, Bev, Morris, who will get up into a guy and don’t care if it’s your star... they will jump on them grab hold fight and irritate dudes and the don’t care about your feelings. That stuff is kinda contagious and we just need it so so bad.

It's almost like what people identified as good defense since basketball's inception might actually have some value. Weird.

But if it doesn't scream on a spreadsheet then I guess it's probably too stupid.