NON-JAZZ NBA PLAYOFF thread

[Getting Traded]

If you have watched the current series, Ayton is a fantastic rebounder and yes better than Rudy. He doesn't get pushed away from the boards like Rudy does. Of course, Rudy is the better defender, at least so far as rim protection. But who would you rather have if you could do a straight-up trade right now?

 

[nothingbutnet]

If you have watched the current series, Ayton is a fantastic rebounder and yes better than Rudy. He doesn't get pushed away from the boards like Rudy does. Of course, Rudy is the better defender, at least so far as rim protection. But who would you rather have if you could do a straight-up trade right now?

Every team in the league would choose Ayton.

 

[Jazzmix]

Ayton has significantly improved but he also benefits much more from his teammates than Rudy on both ends of the floor. Suns play tough perimeter defense, he would never be able to carry the same defensive load Rudy has to. On offense he is of course more versatile than Rudy but here also he has CP3 who is a master of midrange/lob and involves him better than our guards do with Rudy.

 

[Getting Traded]

Ayton has significantly improved but he also benefits much more from his teammates than Rudy on both ends of the floor. Suns play tough perimeter defense, he would never be able to carry the same defensive load Rudy has to. On offense he is of course more versatile than Rudy but here also he has CP3 who is a master of midrange/lob and involves him better than our guards do with Rudy.

You forget that he also can actually shoot.

 

[jazz4life1992]

Ayton has significantly improved but he also benefits much more from his teammates than Rudy on both ends of the floor. Suns play tough perimeter defense, he would never be able to carry the same defensive load Rudy has to. On offense he is of course more versatile than Rudy but here also he has CP3 who is a master of midrange/lob and involves him better than our guards do with Rudy.

What? Ayton is under a ton of pressure each game to stay out of foul trouble. The Suns literally have no one behind him at center that can mimic his impact on defense. Saric and Kaminsky on defense is a nightmare, which is why everyone thought the Lakers would destroy them.

 

[fishonjazz]

Jingles is a horrible defender and Bogey had one good defensive performance. When Kawhi went out Bogey got cooked

Yet jingles and bogey played in almost every game this season and we had the 3rd rated defense in the league. We were only 3rd cause Rudy had to come out sometimes. Did you know that when Rudy was on the court this season we had the 4th best defense of all time? When he was off the court we had the 28th best defense in the league this year

Our defense is simply fantastic when we don't play against small ball. Suns don't play small ball.

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[fishonjazz]

I dont get the point you're trying to prove. Suns are feasting on the small ball where we couldn't yet you're saying we're better than them? I'm confused

I'm saying we could beat the suns.
And the suns aren't feasting small ball lol. They aren't really feasting on anything unless you consider scoring 84 points feasting. Zubac is playing more minutes than he has ever played before.

Now can the suns feast on small ball? Yes they can. Jazz don't play small ball though so that isn't really relevant when discussing a jazz vs Suns series

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[fishonjazz]

At this point would anybody on this board not take Ayton over Rudy? Ayton is a superior rebounder, scorer, and still a great defender (please spare me the regular season stats BS)

I would take Ayton. I usually take #1 picks over #27 picks.

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[fishonjazz]

Ugh, its not a simple as that. The Suns present more challenges than the Clippers do. They have just as many (more because Kawhi is out) 2 way wing players, and they have arguably the 3rd best offensive center that is playing in these playoffs (yes, and I can't believe I am saying that).

The Suns beat a fully healthy Jazz team twice this year, while the Jazz swept the Clippers in the regular season.

And CP3 torched the Jazz defense in the 2nd game, while Booker had his way in both games (with the Jazz fully healthy). Royce O'Neal isn't Pat Beverley as far as a Booker stopper/irritant, and I think its much more likely Booker's broken nose has slowed him down in this series than Beverley just shutting him down.

When both teams were healthy and were peaking they went to overtime in Phoenix. All I have been saying is that jazz vs Suns would be a great 7 games series that either team could win

Has the clippers series tainted your view of the jazz so badly that you have just wiped the rest of the 78 games from your memory to the point that you now think of the jazz as some garbage team and the suns as the Jordan bulls teams or something?

If so maybe you would find the suns fan forums more to your liking

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[fishonjazz]

If you have watched the current series, Ayton is a fantastic rebounder and yes better than Rudy. He doesn't get pushed away from the boards like Rudy does. Of course, Rudy is the better defender, at least so far as rim protection. But who would you rather have if you could do a straight-up trade right now?

See, now the recency bias is getting ridiculous.
Rudy and Ayton played almost the exact same amount of minutes per game. Rudy averaged 13.5 rebounds. Ayton averaged 10.5 rebounds.

Yet Ayton is the better rebounder.

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[fishonjazz]

You forget that he also can actually shoot.

Can you provide any stats? Like shooting percentage from 15 feet or something. How does he do from three?
Yes he can shoot better than Rudy.
Rudy averaged 14.2 points per game
Ayton averaged 14.3.

Huge advantage with Aytons great shooting as you can see.

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[fishonjazz]

What? Ayton is under a ton of pressure each game to stay out of foul trouble. The Suns literally have no one behind him at center that can mimic his impact on defense. Saric and Kaminsky on defense is a nightmare, which is why everyone thought the Lakers would destroy them.

Gobert is under just as much pressure to stay out of foul trouble
The jazz have the 4th best defense of all time when Rudy is on the game
28th best defense this season when favors is in. The jazz don't want Rudy to come out if the game.

Rudy and Ayton play the exact same amount of minutes per game btw.

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