Game Thread Nov 02, 2025 04:00PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Charlotte Hornets

[Tanktastic]

Ochai... not exactly useful rotation player. He's a 12th man.

Ok. Not that Ochai matters that much to the discussion, but he averaged 27 mpg last season.

Having average/below average lotto luck multiple years in a row is super ****** luck compared to the "smart" teams that are trending towards being a contender. Call it whatever you like but you are beating a dead horse.

Average luck is average luck is not super ****** luck. I don't really understand how this can be even a debate.

The Mavs hitting on Flagg was super-super-super lucky, but that doesn't change what has happened to the Jazz in the least.

They have avoided the catastrophic mistake and they also haven't taken amazing luck and squandered it. Take the Kings for example... they had the good luck to have a chance to draft Luka... took Bagley. They also had a top 10 ish player in house with Tyrese... moved him for a clunky fitting fringe AS.

So it could be worse. If your contention is that the Ainges have been mid... you will not get disagreement from me.

I don't think there has been any single mistake that you could point to that was a catastrophe. It's the overall lack of any sort of real strategy, other than "get lucky". Sure, they haven't made any really bad picks. But making those picks has massively de-valued those assets. The Jazz's own pick was a really valuable asset, Cody Williams isn't. Turning the Minny picks into Keyonte and Clayton probably hasn't at least added value.

So, no Bagley pick, just slowly bleeding constantly.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ok. Not that Ochai matters that much to the discussion, but he averaged 27 mpg last season.


Average luck is average luck is not super ****** luck. I don't really understand how this can be even a debate.

The Mavs hitting on Flagg was super-super-super lucky, but that doesn't change what has happened to the Jazz in the least.

I don't think there has been any single mistake that you could point to that was a catastrophe. It's the overall lack of any sort of real strategy, other than "get lucky". Sure, they haven't made any really bad picks. But making those picks has massively de-valued those assets. The Jazz's own pick was a really valuable asset, Cody Williams isn't. Turning the Minny picks into Keyonte and Clayton probably hasn't at least added value.

So, no Bagley pick, just slowly bleeding constantly.

Was just pointing out that we could have amazing luck and squander it. They may have avoided the catastrophic mistake on accident but I will give them a little credit for not going NOP or Kangz or Suns.

Luck is required... so saying "get lucky" is a good strategy. They likely should have leaned more into that and goosed the numbers even more. If the Spurs had our luck wouldn't their FO be under fire?

The difference between many of the best FO and the average FO is luck. I don't have much to criticize if that was their strategy tbh. When they have tried to get cute by adding a John Collins or hold onto a guy too long rather than taking a fair offer is when they have faltered. Other than the Williams pick, the picks haven't even been that bad.

The asset base has lost value. Again, if you think I am a huge fan of their work then you are arguing with a wall. I've been pretty critical tbh.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Its just looking at where we currently sit... Say the best offer they have for Lauri is two firsts from Detroit and expiring salary. Are you taking that?

At this point I'd rather see if we can land a top 3 pick and pair them with Lauri... or if its Boozer maybe see what kind of deals are there for Lauri this offseason.

I think we end up being a bottom 4 team. I think this Walker thing will cause him to miss some real time. Being without our second best player will be pretty detrimental to our record.

 

[outerspacefan]

It’s impossible to have a bottom three record and not stink.

Any team that looks mostly competent won’t lose nearly enough

I understand what you are saying, it's semantically correct.
But, basketball wise, you should be able to lose games playing with effort and trying to run adequate schemes, lineups planned to help young guys abilities.
You don't need more than a little bunch of minutes to throw away a game.
If this awful to watch thing continues, Hardy should be accountable... there's no reason for our young guys to be absolute D non factors, no effort dudes.
It's on coach to promote, foster, reward adequate behaviors, patterns...