Game Thread Nov 08, 2023 05:00PM MT: Jazz at Pacers

[Tremendous Upside]

What people think should or act like should happen is we should give Lauri the ball every possession and get out of his way.

I don't think people are saying that. I mean it's easy to see Lauri is not an ISO scorer or efficient creator off the dribble. However, what we should do on almost every trip is try to get him the ball on the move to start the possession. Not because he'd necessarily score or shoot off that play, but because his gravity would force the defense to react.

Lately, Lauri has flashed some good passing off plays where he has a step on his defender. That's something that hasn't been exploited nearly enough. We have very few guys who worry teams to such an extent that they'll even think about doubling or running them off the perimeter. That's valuable.

I'm not saying Lauri should turn into a facilitator – that would be wasting his efficient finishing, something we don't have enough of as it is – but his gravity should be utilized in more creative ways than just parking him in the corner. Just passively "spacing the floor" leads to Clarkson, Sexton & co dribbling headfirst into the trees. They're not good enough to score like that consistently.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Clarkson is one reason why our creation is very limited. He is just not a facilitator kind of player, it's not in him and has never been. Compare this to what we saw in Haliburton, it's night and day - Haliburton has his head up, looking around, when he moves with the ball whereas Clarkson's focus is entirely on himself alone doing iso. He is a cool dude, but in today's basketball, too limited to be given big minutes.

Yeah, I’m cool with trading him. He is one of our best self creators at the moment though as far as scoring goes.

 

[HermanG]

It’s hard for me to get upset at someone who scored 33 points on 26 shots when our creation is very limited at best right now.

I agree Lauri needs more touches but his self creation isn’t the best.

JCs own self-creation has been **** all season, but we have managed to score decent nonetheless.

Lauri gets the exact same horizontal perimeter pass and just does more with it.

You call one self creation and other not, but they both got the same pass to begin with.

 

[Elizah Huge]

JCs own self-creation has been **** all season, but we have managed to score decent nonetheless.

Lauri gets the exact same horizontal perimeter pass and just does more with it.

You call one self creation and other not, but they both got the same pass to begin with.

I’m not going to let a bad set of 10 games skew what we know about Clarkson as a player as a whole. He was awesome for an entire season last year.

 

[Elizah Huge]

It’s ok to be honest about our favorite player. Most of Lauri’s points come from assisted layups/dunks and assisted 3s which is ****ing amazing. Let’s not act like he’s creating a bunch for others or doing a bunch of stuff off the dribble though.

 

[HermanG]

I’m not going to let a bad set of 10 games skew what we know about Clarkson as a player as a whole. He was awesome for an entire season last year.

What is he as a player then? Starter or a 6th man? 1 way or 2 way? Efficient or mid?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It’s ok to be honest about our favorite player. Most of Lauri’s points come from assisted layups/dunks and assisted 3s which is ****ing amazing. Let’s not act like he’s creating a bunch for others or doing a bunch of stuff off the dribble though.

He creates in his own way but its off ball and does require a pass. Like he's not spotting up and just hoping the defense forgets. He creates offball havoc but working off down screens and such. many of his baskets are assisted and he's just not a solo iso artist.

Its not a knock... people can calm down.

 

[Elizah Huge]

What is he as a player then? Starter or a 6th man? 1 way or 2 way? Efficient or mid?

I think it’s obvious that he’s better off the bench as a scoring 6th man type. I want to trade him.

I just don’t agree with people using him as the scapegoat when he was good last night. We have a lot more problems than Clarkson scoring 33 points on pretty good efficiency. Yes it is infuriating at times and yes he has been turnover prone.

 

[underdog]

Yeah, I’m cool with trading him. He is one of our best self creators at the moment though as far as scoring goes.

Points per game is such a misleading stat alone, without efficiency. Self-creators are great if they shoot with high efficiency, but Clarkson generally doesn’t do that. And when you add his turnovers to that, it’s tough. I think Clarkson’s age if not helping him here either. Danny has designed his contract with trading him in mind (probably before the trade deadline this season).

 

[HermanG]

I think it’s obvious that he’s better off the bench as a scoring 6th man type. I want to trade him.

I just don’t agree with people using him as the scapegoat when he was good last night. We have a lot more problems than Clarkson scoring 33 points on pretty good efficiency. Yes it is infuriating at times and yes he has been turnover prone.

I dont think anyone is looking at this one game. In the big picture he has been our biggest negative impact player.

My gripe is really about him being entitled to super high minutes and greenest of lights, despite being one of the leading causes of malfunctions on both ends.

 

[homeytennis]

I dont think anyone is looking at this one game. In the big picture he has been our biggest negative impact player.

My gripe is really about him being entitled to super high minutes and greenest of lights, despite being one of the leading causes of malfunctions on both ends.

He always has been under both Hardy and Quin.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Points per game is such a misleading stat alone, without efficiency. Self-creators are great if they shoot with high efficiency, but Clarkson generally doesn’t do that. And when you add his turnovers to that, it’s tough. I think Clarkson’s age if not helping him here either. Danny has designed his contract with trading him in mind (probably before the trade deadline this season).

yep and the opposite is true as well. efficiency without ppg needs a further look. bottom line, kick clarkson to the curb.