Game Thread Nov 13, 2025 07:00PM MT: Atlanta Hawks @ Utah Jazz

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Nurk made some terrific passes, leading the team with 8. Also had 10 rebounds, 5 steals, and was 2 assists away from a triple-double.

When he's good he's making some really great plays, but he also has a ton of negative plays.

I think hea still an excellent 12 MPG kind of backup who can just dominate the glass, but he's such a bad finisher and his decision making as hub is a bit erratic.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Also two of Nurks TOs where the "player too strong, must be foul" BS offensive fouls

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

The Jazz were specifically leaving Okwongu wide open which seemed to be the game plan. It ended up not being a good game plan.

In general our defensive strategy is to protect the paint vs the 3pt line which is hard to watch sometimes, but at least works better than whatever we were doing last year since we are 24th in defense this year vs 30th the past two years. We are basically designed to live and die around opponent 3pt shooting variance.

The Jazz are currently 19th in opponent 3pt%. The statistic guys who study this generally say that opponent 3pt% is more random vs something a team can control. I'm not sure that makes sense to me since obviously players should make more when wide open vs tightly guarded.

3P% is random as players will just take threes they can make so if you allow more open threes, you're probably allowing more semi-open threes that they'll also take.

3PAs *allowed* is very much not random.

 

[underdog]

After making the layup: in 12 total minutes he finished with 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 0 turnovers and 0 steals.

Cody didn't play much, but he defended better than anyone else on our team in this game.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

3P% is random as players will just take threes they can make so if you allow more open threes, you're probably allowing more semi-open threes that they'll also take.

3PAs *allowed* is very much not random.

I understand the difference. The discussion in this thread is around 3pt%. Should we have expected Atlanta to shoot 51% based on our defense.

I think there is a difference between open and wide open with unlimited time (basically a practice shot) that the stats don't account for.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Cody didn't play much, but he defended better than anyone else on our team in this game.

It's why I can't fully give up on him because just having a long guy who can move his feet has some value even if he isnt the most active defender

 

[underdog]

Also two of Nurks TOs where the "player too strong, must be foul" BS offensive fouls

Yeah, one time he got a foul for just standing still when someone bumped into him and dropped like a fly.

 

[fishonjazz]

The fact we don't guard the three point shot is what allows players to shoot such high percentages. Its not strange at all people shoot their highest percentages when wide *** open. Our defensive scheme ( or lack thereof) will ensure plenty of losses

On the other hand I see dudes miss open threes on a regular basis. Not last night though. And they were making contested ones as well.

 

[fishonjazz]

My favorite players to watch currently (excluding Lauri) are Collier and Ace. I had kind of written Collier off but he has been great and is really likeable.

Wish I could watch Hendricks. And I know he has sucked this season. Still wish I could watch him play anyways.

Also, I wish Clayton could still get minutes. Logjam with collier back though.

 

[fishonjazz]

Only missed 5 minutes of the game. Cool.

That pissed me off. I spent way too much time rewinding and then fast forwarding trying to figure out how to see what I missed. I thought it might have just been my tv/antenna or whatever. Nice to know it wasn't just me at least.

 

[fishonjazz]

Probably mentioned plenty of time already but Ace has a really quick release.
Kinda seems too quick. But its going in.

 

[HeatCheck]

My favorite players to watch currently (excluding Lauri) are Collier and Ace. I had kind of written Collier off but he has been great and is really likeable.

Wish I could watch Hendricks. And I know he has sucked this season. Still wish I could watch him play anyways.

Also, I wish Clayton could still get minutes. Logjam with collier back though.

Same.

The main job of the guards on this current team should be to get the ball to Lauri and Ace especially during the 4th quarter in close games. They also need to be willing to defend the 3 pt shot on the defensive end. Collier obviously has his warts when it comes to shooting but checks all the other boxes.