Obama supports Mosque

[Scat]

Frankly, other than shock tactics, I've yet to see anyone explain why that mosque should not be built.

I think it will hamper, if not worsen, Islamic relations with Americans. Rightly or wrongly most Americans are going to view this as a slap in the face after having your *** kicked. Building this mosque will only fuel hatred for the Muslim faith. If the Islamic proponents of this project were smart they would publicly state that they understand how such a project could be construed as provacative and will relocate the project to a different area.

 

[Hopper]

Obama's saying that Muslims have the right to build a mosque tells us absolutely NOTHING that we don't already know. The fact that he said it while addressing a muslim crowd may tell us something about "why" he said it.

Muslim's have the "right" to purchase the land where the WTC once stood, and put nothing there but a huge islamic flag and a big sign sayin: "Heh, we sho nuff whupped your sorry ***, Chumps!"

But why would a President, the leader of the U.S. people, refuse to comment on the "wisdom" of Muslims creating such a mocking and derisive "memorial?" That's what I find puzzling. Why stress empty tautologies (you have the right to do what you have the right to do) to a muslim crowd, implying approval, but then refuse to address the substance? Sumthin aint right here, if ya ax me.

 

[Nate505]

You know, as a kid I always wondered how crap like the Japanese internment and the communist witch hunts could happen, and why people wouldn't listen to reason or people wouldn't stand up to obvious bigotry.

Unfortunately, I now see the process of idiotic thought at work by all the outrage of someone building a Muslim YMCA a couple blocks away from Ground Zero. Never has so much been made of so little. And personally, I'm no fan whatsoever of the Muslim religion in general. But to say this is some sort of major statement by those who attacked us is asinine.

 

[One Brow]

Obama's saying that Muslims have the right to build a mosque tells us absolutely NOTHING that we don't already know. The fact that he said it while addressing a muslim crowd may tell us something about "why" he said it.

What may it tell us?

But why would a President, the leader of the U.S. people, refuse to comment on the "wisdom" of Muslims creating such a mocking and derisive "memorial?" That's what I find puzzling.

I don't find it puzzling at all. I doubt he thinks its a good idea. Saying it's a bad idea undercuts the message and gives legitimacy to the people trying to block it, besides it being none of his business whether it's a good idea. Should the President be giving opinions on all religious building? There's a Catholic Church buling an annex in O'Fallon right now. Do we need Obama's opinion on that?

Why stress empty tautologies (you have the right to do what you have the right to do) to a muslim crowd, implying approval, but then refuse to address the substance? Sumthin aint right here, if ya ax me.

What's not right is the highly-publicized demagogueing of the Palins and Gingriches claiming that the building of the mosque needs to be blocked. The President made clear their sentiments were anti-American. Why do you need there to be a better reason to speak out.

 

[UB]

Who is the little bitch in this thread that gave me negative rep and called me a liberal idiot?

I won't argue with you. But you should stand behind your statements and identify yourself.

 

[Craig K. Manscill]

Look, 9/11 was an attack planned out by all the Muslims in the world. They all got together in this little conference room and were like, "Hey guys... we gotta kill some Americans." And now they're planting a place of worship there?! Terrible. The only thing I want in that space is a place for American worship. You know, hard, unsoiled Christianity.

Plus, like Thriller, I would prefer it if Obama pandered to the votes of people who hate all Muslims than say the "right thing".

- Craig

 

[Hopper]

...besides it being none of his business whether it's a good idea. Should the President be giving opinions on all religious building?

It's not "his business" to tell a muslim crowd it's legal, either. They know that. Why say anything at all, if it's "not his business?"

 

[Craig K. Manscill]

I agree, he shouldn't ever comment on the popular political topics out there. Actually, I'd prefer if he didn't say anything that conflicted with my extremist conservative viewpoint.

-Craig

 

[One Brow]

It's not "his business" to tell a muslim crowd it's legal, either. They know that. Why say anything at all, if it's "not his business?"

So, in this thread, you are saying the President should not take a firm stance on supporting the law, while in the other thread, you criticize Schwartzenegger for that very thing?

 

[Deleted member 365]

Huh? The "truth" is that according to our constitution, according to what is "right" and according to the principles of freedom, liberty and religious tolerance, we shouldn't ban people from building religious structures on private property as long as it doesn't violate local ordinances or zoning requirements.

Besides that you seem to be terribly confused. Obama made a statement based on the principle that people can build any brand of religious institution on private property. The ability for this mosque to be built did not hinge on his approval. His comments were certainly related to the issue created by this particular mosque, but not related to his feelings about the building of this particular mosque. Again, Obama has no role in deciding if this mosque is built or not. He did not make a "decision" to allow it to be built. You understand that, right?

This may hurt his standing among simpletons and religious bigots. If that is what makes up the majority of voters then we have much worse problems than a moasque being built several blocks from the site of one of our nations greatest tragedies.

Who cares about the constitution?

Who cares about what's right?

You people make great points, but they're all ideological. Quit w/your philosophy class nonsense and go back to simple high school. If you want to maintain power you do what's popular, not what's right or in accordance with the law.

Score points with who?

It's not necessarily scoring points, it's losing points that's going to happen by his stance on this. The vast majority could care less about "freedom of religion" and being "politically correct."

The media spins this as evil Muslim Nazi/Communist/antiChrist Obama is disrespecting those victims of 9/11. I don't think most Americans will care much about freedom of religion as much as the message that's been spewed that we're allowing a Mosque to be built near ground zero. History has proven time after time again that the people of this country don't give a rats *** about the constitution depending on which media source they're glued to. Red Scare anyone? I thought allowing blacks to not ride in the back of the bus was going to destroy this country?

I love how so many people are calling me a religious bigot despite me not even taking a side. I've only merely commented on how unpopular of a move this might be. If only you knew my true opinion. But that's okay, I'll allow you more "tolerant" posters to tell me how I should act while observing you acting completely different. thanks guys. You bring even more substance to the old saying of, "Do as I say, not as I do."

 

[Deleted member 365]

I agree - he shouldn't have said anything. He has other things to worry about that are far more important than where a place of worship is being built.

Good point.

I actually said the same thing to some people the other day when we started talking about this. The dude has other more important things to worry about, such as a stale economy and a 50+ disapproval rating. Nothing was to be gained by opening his trap on this issue.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Frankly, other than shock tactics, I've yet to see anyone explain why that mosque should not be built.

Is anything else needed? Why use your brain when media tells you how you should feel, think, or act? Shock tactics are used by both sides quite effectively in fact. Perhaps most Americans aren't as smart or disciplined as some of you. Most from what I've seen or interacted with, just need a cool jingle or a celebrity or religious leader to tell them something and they'll fall for it hook line and sinker.