Game Thread Oct 02, 2022 04:00PM MT: Jazz at Raptors (Preseason)

[Handlogten's Heros]

Careful, I said this yesterday and I was called a contrarian.

Well those folks weren't watching. He was around some rim attempts and didn't change them at all. Like didn't make them change the angle or anything. I don't think he went to go get them at all so it might be partly aggressiveness and being the first game.

Like remember when Udoka came in preseason and yeah he was jumping at everything... but guys went up around him and they felt him one way or another.

It is very much just something to watch though... not concerned at all.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Well those folks weren't watching. He was around some rim attempts and didn't change them at all. Like didn't make them change the angle or anything. I don't think he went to go get them at all so it might be partly aggressiveness and being the first game.

Like remember when Udoka came in preseason and yeah he was jumping at everything... but guys went up around him and they felt him one way or another.

It is very much just something to watch though... not concerned at all.

Yeah some posters just want a **** fest the moment a rookie makes a layup.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Also, I actually thought KO looked really good. He looked like 2 steps ahead of everyone offensively not named Mike Conley on offense.

And yeah, the Jazz got a big "ball stopper" problem w/ their offense. Gay/Clarkson/Sexton are players who are most comfortable stopping the offense and getting into their bag, not moving the ball. Hopefully once Hardy installs w/e it is he wants to install, the team wont have to go to those safety blankets as much. If Sexton doesnt figure out how to be a PG this team is absolutely ****ed.

That's what I was getting at with KO know how to play. Its tough when the guy misses all his shots to say he looked really good... but he gets space with little ball fakes and stuff that is kinda tricky. Also noted he spots up like 3 feet behind the line to pull the defense out a bit more and also gives him the chance to pump fake and then step into a three... instead of a long two.

He has control and just knows how to play. There is value to having those guys on the floor with the young ones. He just missed a bunch of makeable shots. But looked like one of the only guys with a plan. Its the thing that drives me nuts about a guy like NAW. He just is kinda doing stuff with no real end or intention (it seems).

 

[HeatCheck]

Did Gay look that washed? I know he missed the dunk, but even attempting the dunk he attempted is pretty impressive at his age.

Sure compared to other 36 yo's at the men's league he still looks legit.

He was pretty awful compared to the spry young 6'-8" guys the Raps were trotting out yesterday.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah some posters just want a **** fest the moment a rookie makes a layup.

And he moved pretty well... the up and under was nice... defense was bad.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

That's what I was getting at with KO know how to play. Its tough when the guy misses all his shots to say he looked really good... but he gets space with little ball fakes and stuff that is kinda tricky. Also noted he spots up like 3 feet behind the line to pull the defense out a bit more and also gives him the chance to pump fake and then step into a three... instead of a long two.

He has control and just knows how to play. There is value to having those guys on the floor with the young ones. He just missed a bunch of makeable shots. But looked like one of the only guys with a plan. Its the thing that drives me nuts about a guy like NAW. He just is kinda doing stuff with no real end or intention (it seems).

NAW has performance anxiety (same w/ Butler too). I actually thought he looked really good defensively. He's kind of Dante Exum-ish in some ways, but obviously a better spot-up threat. The issue is he just gets downhill and he has no idea what to do and kind of panics into a mistake.

 

[Jingled]

Did Gay look that washed? I know he missed the dunk, but even attempting the dunk he attempted is pretty impressive at his age.

I would say he looked pretty washed last season, and he looked exactly the same last night as he did last season.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I just don't think playing Gay to increase his value is going to do any good at all...he just looks completely washed. I hope the Jazz can just come to terms with that before the season starts. I am not going to be a happy camper if I have to watch Gay and NAW play while Fontecchio and Ochai ride the pine most of the season.

I don't either. I thought he moved okay out there... better than last year... but his play didn't seem super team oriented. He had one grab and go where he pulled up for a ****** three for no reason and I was just out at that point. If he is going to do that stuff its better not to have him around.

I need Ochai out there. He needs 15 minutes a night to marinate. Even if its a gift 15 minutes.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I would say he looked pretty washed last season, and he looked exactly the same last night as he did last season.

I think that's just the way Rudy Gay has always played though.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't either. I thought he moved okay out there... better than last year... but his play didn't seem super team oriented. He had one grab and go where he pulled up for a ****** three for no reason and I was just out at that point. If he is going to do that stuff its better not to have him around.

I need Ochai out there. He needs 15 minutes a night to marinate. Even if its a gift 15 minutes.

That's been his MO his entire career though. Remember when he was at his peak w/ the Grizzlies then they traded him for basically nothing and got way better. That's why I always hated the move because the Jazz are supposed to be the ball movement quick decision team and we got one of the slower decision makers in the NBA w/ Rudy Gay.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

NAW has performance anxiety (same w/ Butler too). I actually thought he looked really good defensively. He's kind of Dante Exum-ish in some ways, but obviously a better spot-up threat. The issue is he just gets downhill and he has no idea what to do and kind of panics into a mistake.

He does seem to move really well... like JC kinda. I just don't see the skillset to be something awesome on ball. He actually was useable last year when we treated him like PJ Tucker... just hide in the corners and play defense. Then one night he decided to go Leroy Jenkins on a couple plays and Quin pulled him and he was never heard from again.

Get these guys some viagra so they ain't so worried about performance.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That's been his MO his entire career though. Remember when he was at his peak w/ the Grizzlies then they traded him for basically nothing and got way better. That's why I always hated the move because the Jazz are supposed to be the ball movement quick decision team and we got one of the slower decision makers in the NBA w/ Rudy Gay.

He had kinda changed and I hoped he'd be fully in the Vince Carter role player mode last year and this year. Had hoped a year of being healthy would help too. I just don't see a great attitude and I think this using 15-20 minutes a night to get his value up may do the opposite.

At the same time none of the guys on the bubble inspired any confidence so if we cut JB, Lee, Doke or Stanley I'm not like super sad. So maybe you keep him and hope to dump his deal in a move later. IDK... I just wish we had him and THT off of next year's cap sheet.