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Off-season 2020 Conley Trade Ideas

NUMBERICA said:
We would get something closer to the LAC version since we have a more egalitarian system, could use his ballhandling/playmaking, and the lane is less clogged. Still think the fit would be Just about perfect.
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How's about this... Conley and Bojan for Harris and Richardson... add in what you need to salary wise to make it work. Gives them the combo forward shooter, on the ball playmaker, and alleviates some long term salary strain. We get a better combo forward? Certainly will have more production due to being younger than Bogey... fits with Rudy, DM timeline better. We also get a perimeter defender that may bolt in a year but - DM, Richardson, Ingles, Harris, Rudy looks pretty balanced... Royce, Richardson, or Ingles could come off the bench. I'd just want Ingles on the floor with Rudy as much as possible.
 
I’d be really surprised if he’s moved. Honestly, what team would want him at 34 million? Okc to get out of Paul’s contract? Cavs to get out of Loves contract? Philly to get out of hortfords contract?

I don’t want to go there but I only see Conley being moved if.......we moved Mitchell. Hope we don’t!!

Mitchell/Conley/Davis for lavine/young/markenden/Satoransky. The new GM of the Bulls gets an All Star in Mitchell and a foundation piece to put with White, Carter, plus cap space after Conleys deal expires.

Utah will have one of the deepest teams in the NBA.
 
We've been over this a gazillion times. The ONLY trade that makes any kind of sense for the Jazz is for CP3. If that's not happening (and it is most likely not) then there is nothing to talk about.

The chance that Mike Conley figures it out here is a far better return than anything in any other realistic trade. Period. We are trying to be f****** great. Not average.

Conley wasn't even our main roster problem this year. The bench was. Clarkson no doubt helped but we still have issues there.We need a more versatile backup 4/5 pairing. Niang and Bradley just aint gonna get it done. They are each so limited in what they provide that it's painful.

Mitchell/Rudy/Bogey are good enough to be the top 3 on a champion if Mitchell takes another step forward in progression and it's a reasonable expectation that he will. We're basically asking Conley to be our 4th, 5th maybe even 6th best player. If we think reasonably and not just on the recency bias of this season alone I think logic will lead us to believe that the odds are good that he can do that.
 
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Troat Guru said:
BTW, is anyone else hoping to watch a "Mike Conley resurrection" during the playoffs or it's just me?
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We'd all love to see that. I don't think anyone is expecting it though.
 
SCS said:
We've been over this a gazillion times. The ONLY trade that makes any kind of sense for the Jazz is for CP3. If that's not happening (and it is most likely not) then there is nothing to talk about.

The chance that Mike Conley figures it out here is a far better return than anything in any other realistic trade. Period. We are trying to be f****** great. Not average.

Conley wasn't even our main roster problem this year. The bench was. Clarkson no doubt helped but we still have issues there.We need a more versatile backup 4/5 pairing. Niang and Bradley just aint gonna get it done. They are so limited it's painful.

Mitchell/Rudy/Bogey are good enough to be the top 3 on a champion if Mitchell takes another step forward in progression and it's a reasonable expectation that he will. We're basically asking Conley to be our 4th, 5th maybe even 6th best player. If we think reasonably and not just on the recency bias of this season alone I think logic will lead us to believe that the odds are good that he can do that.
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Exactly, we made a gamble and either we live with it or we gamble once more on CP3 which would be even higher risk/reward situation. I just don't see the FO willing to do that.
 
SCS said:
We've been over this a gazillion times. The ONLY trade that makes any kind of sense for the Jazz is for CP3. If that's not happening (and it is most likely not) then there is nothing to talk about.

The chance that Mike Conley figures it out here is a far better return than anything in any other realistic trade. Period. We are trying to be f****** great. Not average.

Conley wasn't even our main roster problem this year. The bench was. Clarkson no doubt helped but we still have issues there.We need a more versatile backup 4/5 pairing. Niang and Bradley just aint gonna get it done. They are so limited it's painful.

Mitchell/Rudy/Bogey are good enough to be the top 3 on a champion if Mitchell takes another step forward in progression and it's a reasonable expectation that he will. We're basically asking Conley to be our 4th, 5th maybe even 6th best player. If we think reasonably and not just on the recency bias of this season alone I think logic will lead us to believe that the odds are good that he can do that.
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The problem is that Conley shifts our otherwise best lineups down a size, he has made a career of having the ball in his hands EVERY possession, he's lost a step, and he's debilitatingly expensive. If he's his best I'm still not sure the Jazz would be better with him in the net. It is just a bad fit.

I guess the good news is there is one less player to feed possessions to so we'll need Conley for this joke of a remainder of a season.
 
NUMBERICA said:
The problem is that Conley shifts our otherwise best lineups down a size, he has made a career of having the ball in his hands EVERY possession, he's lost a step, and he's debilitatingly expensive. If he's his best I'm still not sure the Jazz would be better with him in the net. It is just a bad fit.

I guess the good news is there is one less player to feed possessions to so we'll need Conley for this joke of a remainder of a season.
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This... if he was raising the ceiling of the offense then shifting down is not a big deal. We are better offensively and defensively with Ingles in Conley's place. JC is a better bench scoring option too.

Let's say it doesn't get a lot better next year... he won't stick around at a discount... So he leaves and we won't really have cap space. This is a situation where a quick pivot (if anything decent is out there) makes a ton of sense, but we likely drive it into the ground because we made a gamble and are going to stick with it.
 
You guys gotta prepare yourselves for the “this is Utah, we resurrect old *** players” narrative. “Conley hasn’t had time here to really get into what the training staff can give him.” He’s bound to improve light years.

Because he’s a “great dude” the Jazz choose not to trade him to a place he doesn’t want to go. He then sucks *** again next year and leaves for nothing. Worst case - even though he’s a “great dude”, he still chooses to talk about how he hated it here.


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Thee jazz fan said:
Read a bleacher report about trades teams should do. They had this as a deal for the jazz. Ed Davis and Conley with a second round pick for CP3. If that’s all we have to give, sign me up. They even said this deal would clear cap space for the clips once Conley and Ed expire.
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I could be more ignorant on the CBA than I thought, but I’d be pretty surprised if that put the Clippers under the cap.
 
I didn't put a CP3 deal because I dont want to see that considered. CP3 just makes too much money.

Remember, the premise of this thread is built around a shrinking cap and our FO need to shed money if they can. That's why expirings like Snell, Batum and others are being considered. The Philly deal is in there because I think it's more unpredictable.

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LoPo said:
I didn't put a CP3 deal because I dont want to see that considered. CP3 just makes too much money.

Remember, the premise of this thread is built around a shrinking cap and our FO need to shed money if they can. That's why expirings like Snell, Batum and others are being considered. The Philly deal is in there because I think it's more unpredictable.

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Just an FYI... from what I understand the cap next year will be similar to the projected number given already... so it won't be changed from its projection much. The following year there will be a decline and they could do some "smoothing" to make it not a giant decline.

Under that scenario I do think Philly would be interested in moving on from Harris... they have like $150M committed that year already.

If I thought we could get close enough to give us a title shot by trading for CP I'd have done it earlier this year. Now... IDK... Losing the playoff run this year sucks... who knows if he sticks with his diet and conditioning.
 
LoPo said:
I didn't put a CP3 deal because I dont want to see that considered. CP3 just makes too much money.

Remember, the premise of this thread is built around a shrinking cap and our FO need to shed money if they can. That's why expirings like Snell, Batum and others are being considered. The Philly deal is in there because I think it's more unpredictable.

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The purpose of a team is to win. I want the best possible players and best possible team. Idc if a talented player gets paid. I'm not a grandma going to costco with my coupons here. Mike Conley is a talented player. Chris Paul is a talented player. Tony Snell and Nic Batum? Not so much. If we're going that route why don't we just trade Rudy, Donovan, Bojan and the rest too. The team will suck but hey our cap will be gorgeous.
 
Conley and the 1st rd pick for Chris Paul would be highway robbery... Chris Paul was the most clutch player in the league this season. what part of that don't y'all understand?


Utah just throws away 1st rd picks on PG's anyways, all decade long... At least with CP3 u get a 1st ballot hof'er
 
SCS said:
The purpose of a team is to win. I want the best possible players and best possible team. Idc if a talented player gets paid. I'm not a grandma going to costco with my coupons here. Mike Conley is a talented player. Chris Paul is a talented player. Tony Snell and Nic Batum? Not so much. If we're going that route why don't we just trade Rudy, Donovan, Bojan and the rest too. The team will suck but hey our cap will be gorgeous.
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Of course I want to win, but my deals are doing the math. If the cap were to go down, Conley's deal might get in the way of keeping Clarkson. To me, Clarkson is a vital piece going forward.

Although the cap is supposedly in place for next season, I don't think anyone can know that for sure. Look at baseball. If the cap goes down and we have to dump Conley's contract to make sure we keep Clarkson, I do it without hesitation.

Chris Paul should not be considered. I just don't think he makes is that much better. If the cap goes down in 2021-22 when he's making $40+, we will regret him big time.

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