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For the record I am not opposed to trading Hayward, even though he is worth the Max. I am not opposed to trading any of our players as long as we get back a better player.
 
There is no reason for the Jazz to not throw a max offer at KD. I will be disappointed if they don't pursue him, regardless if they have much of a shot.
 
Broncster said:
How would this board view Hayward if we were a 5th seed this year and win the series against the Clips?

That scenario is more than likely if we have an average injury year. Or even if we have an average record in close games that are statistically luck who wins.

Is the best player on a team that is a 5th seed and the youngest team in the West worth a max contract in this market? Would Portland be looking to trade Lillard if he was going to be a FA after next season?

Hayward is 1 year older than Lillard he shot a better percentage and did score 5 less points but took 5 less shots a game. Hayward is a far superior defender to Lillard. Haywards team is much younger and has many less vets. Hayward was asked to do more for his team. Hayward played more minutes than Lillard for the season and on a per game basis. Hayward ran more miles in the season on the court. Haywards hobbled team that he lead only came up 4 games short of what Lillards did. Hayward is on the same level as Lillard. If you replace Hayward for Paul George, Lillard, Butler, Derozan, Dwayne Wade or Klay Thompson. Those teams probably win the same number of games.

Hayward is not even in my top 3 current favorite Jazz players but the hate on this board is unreal. Then he will have a good game and this board thinks he is MJ. We are so Bi-polar. Hayward is a top 20-25 player right now. Every team will have 1 or 2 max players. Yes it would be nice if our max player was a top 5-10 but we are not getting a player in that tier.
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Lillard and Hayward are not on the same tier. Lillard is one of the top assassins in the league. The difference between him and Curry is smaller than the difference between him and Hayward. Defense is included in that statement.
 
NAOS said:
Lillard and Hayward are not on the same tier. Lillard is one of the top assassins in the league. The difference between him and Curry is smaller than the difference between him and Hayward. Defense is included in that statement.
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Statistics disagree with that statement. As does W/L.
 
NAOS said:
not all statistics. You actually mean to say "the statistics I put my faith in...."
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Lets hear the ones "I dont put faith in" that support your theory. Maybe they will change my mind. I am not seeing any nor does my eye test show that but I have not watched more than about 20 Portland games this year.

So by your standard GS would have had pretty much the same season minus a few more losses this season if you swap Lillard for Curry?

How about the Jazz and Portland if you swap Hayward and Lillard? Jazz make the 5 seed and Portland misses the playoffs?
 
mellow said:
My eyes tell me Lillard>Hayward. But maybe my blast shield is down. If my eyes have deceived me and I should not trust them, what would you say I should trust?
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Eye test plus statistics is a good way to form your opinion. That is what I have done. I wont fault you for disagreeing with me. That is whats fun about opinions.

Plus I was saying that about Lillard being closer to Curry than Hayward is to Lillard.
 
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What team would be stupid enough to trade the #1 draft pick for a player they have rights to at most for a year?

If we are going to fantasize about inanities, lets go big. Hayward for Durant o_O
 
magic said:
What team would be stupid enough to trade the #1 draft pick for a player they have rights to at most for a year?

If we are going to fantasize about inanities, lets go big. Hayward for Durant o_O
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Because they are much less likely to sign him away from another team than they would be to retain him. It also may open up other FA signings if players see that instead of a rookie or future first round picks they have guys that are good at basketball that are somewhat proven. Hayward may not move the needle that much but neither of the top 2 guys are sure fire all-stars. They have potential to be better than Hayward but have a good chance they never get there.

I would not do it if I was them but it isn't the KD pipe dream.
 
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