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Stoked said:
Keep our top 4 pick and bring over Neto. Pakcage the 2nd rounder and the GSW pick for something?
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That's what I'm thinking will happen - or at least Lindsey will try to make happen. Could be to move up, could be a trade for a player.
 
mellow said:
That is a favorite trick of Dennis....

Remember when the jazz were going to trade Al Jefferson to the Spurs? Or how Jim Boylen is the Jazz top target?

He is just spreading the word in hopes of creating a market. If they were serious about trading the picks they probably wouldn't tell Uncle Randy.

And why not bring in three more rookies? Favors and Hayward are year 5, and the only thing holding Hayward back was Deron Williams, oh, well I meant the lockout. Oh, well I meant all the vets. Oh well, I meant Ty Corbin. Now that hurdle is crossed he should be the next Larry bird, er, Paul George, er uh,Jeff Hornaceck. sorry I meant Mike Dunleavy. Yes now that the small hurdle of eliminating all of the competition and two coaches Hayward is finally ready to get paid a max contract to perform like Mike Dunleavy. So three more rookies won't matter at all.

Heaven help the jazz.
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I agree. If a player can play who cares if they have experience. I would rather have three rookies than vets like Watson, Tinsley or Jefferson. If we were going to keep vets around then I would have rather kept Millsap, Carroll and even Korver.
 
Lindsey on 1280 today talking about draft workouts: There will be many workouts again this year. The draft is deep, there will be many undrafted players who play in the league. Jazz will start announcing workouts next week.

Lindsey talks so much and says so little. It's a great skill.
 
Core4 said:
Actually, it would be FOUR rookies if you count Neto. He wanted to come over last season so I think it's almost a given he'll insist on making the leap after summer league.

Roster-wise, I guess they could: assume Jazz cut Lucas, Thomas and Clark, keep Hayward, re-sign Marvin and bring Neto over. Also assume Garrett or another FA is signed as the 3rd PG. Draft three rookies and they're at 13 players, but still around $50M. Jazz will want to get to the salary floor, so they'll perhaps need to sign 2 mid-tier FA's to get there. But if Murphy or someone else impressed, it might result in the 3rd draft pick getting cut. Better to go with a "draft and stash," IMO. Take a flier on a young prospect who isn't quite ready but has a ton of potential.

I'm with Cy. I just don't see FOUR rookies making the roster. In addition to the roster limitations, 2014/15 is the LAST year the Jazz will have up to a MAX slot available under the cap, even counting a substantial raise for Hayward. After that, if Burks and Kanter return, their new contracts will eat our cap space.

GVC is the expert on this, but if the Jazz end up paying Hayward around $10M and renounce the rights to all their FA's, total salaries would be at $37M for 7 players. I estimate cap holds for the 3 picks would be around $5M, depending on where the first pick falls, and then add in a nominal amount to bring the roster up to the minimum (or Jazz simply retain rights for a couple of their non-guaranteed players unless/until they need the roster or cap space for a FA or in a trade). I'm not saying the Jazz will find a max player. But maybe they can find a couple of "Millsaps" at bargain rates, or deal with a team wanting to offload a young player who is past his rookie deal and doesn't fit within the cap space of that team anymore. If Lindsey wants to swing a trade or sign some good FA's, this is the year he has the cap space.
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I am not disagreeing with you because I will be shocked if the Jazz keep all three picks but what is frustrating to me is why not? If you know what you are doing and you can grab 3 hungry talented young players then why not do it. Financially it is a no brainer. This draft is deep.. there are several potential role players in the 20's. Can you imagine if the Spurs had traded away their 29th pick and 59th picks the year they drafted Parker and Gino? Unless you are going to move up and get the player you want I say use your draft picks. Perhaps do a draft and stash European players, or use them as part of a good trade not so you can bring in the Earl Watson or RJ of the NBA. It is time to get as much talent as possible, develop it and then you tweak the roster after next year. Having an abundance of young talent is probable some of the best assets you can have. Other teams love talented young guys who have shown they can play in the league. Remember the KG/Ray Allen trade. Use next years pick in a trade or at the deadline to find the glue veteran.

I am not against bringing in vets but they better be better than average/role players because once you start bringing in vets the rebuild phase is basically over. Just bringing in vets because you have too many young guys isn't necessarily a good thing especially if the young guys aren't playing as much because they have to "earn it". The next coach needs to be a guy who can actually "teach" players instead of telling them to just work hard. If Kanter is getting lost on defense and you point out his mistakes and then you let him back in and he keeps making the same mistake then you know that this is who he is. What you hope is that he comes and learns and stops making the same mistakes. All I know is if you just don't bring a player because he is too young you might miss out on the next Parker, Gino, Arenas and recently Hardaway. Another thing is that Utah has been one of the better franchises of finding talent in the second round.
 
sojodave said:
DL and RR have both hinted that they don't think they will bring on three more rookies onto this roster. I seriously doubt they keep all three picks.
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Maybe you're not familiar with this concept but it's called "draft and stash".

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mellow said:
Lindsey on 1280 today talking about draft workouts: There will be many workouts again this year. The draft is deep, there will be many undrafted players who play in the league. Jazz will start announcing workouts next week.

Lindsey talks so much and says so little. It's a great skill.
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I actually think he is pretty honest about most things and says a lot. Its certainly a lot more than KOC. Maybe he just seems like he is saying a lot because KOC said basically nothing. KOC is seriously one of the worst interviews I have ever heard tbh. Thank god he isnt in charge anymore.
 
orangello said:
The Jazz had 3 rookies get playing time this year.

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Yeah, but only one got consistent time. I'd rather the other two get more minutes next year and not have to split more time with the rookies this year. If anything send the rookies not getting time to the d league. I'd be fine with drafting three if we did that.
 
orangello said:
The Jazz had 3 rookies get playing time this year.

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But they drafted 2 and stashed one.

I see the same happening again if the Jazz keep all three picks. Should get an eventual starter at #4 and a solid rotation player at #23. Draft and stash the BEA (Best Euro Available) at #35. And as Lindsey said, there could be some decent non-drafted players. Utah would be a good place for agents to steer those guys to since there should be a few roster spots AND playing time available.
 
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