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Factor in the money he will command. Hey if the jazz want to continue to be what they have been since the Malone/Stockton era or what the Atlanta hawks have been then go ahead. Waste money paying Gordon second option money when he's clearly third at best as well as Marvin a good chunk of change he will command on the market. Let's continue to do the same things and expect different results
 
Core4 said:
Every team has a "token" 5th starter who is not a primary option on offense. And the Jazz have no SF's (if Hayward is indeed a SG). Marvin is a decent defender and can knock down the three. Unless the Jazz draft a stud SF, Williams would be a decent 20 min/per player. He starts and comes out early, then Hayward slides over to SF when Burks enters the game. Gordon/Alec get 35 mins each, Williams gets 20-25. Or have Marvin come off the bench if Hayward can be the starting SF. Just depends on who the Jazz draft or acquire in a trade. What I like about Marvin is he can also fill in at PF in case of injuries. For the right price, he'd be a good veteran to keep.
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I'm uncomfortable with how completely he disappeared after the trade deadline. I don't think he'll be back, and probably because he doesn't want to be. Seriously, he can probably get a very similar offer from a team that's gonna win a lot of games. I don't know about you, but that sounds a lot more enjoyable to be a part of than a new-coach/new-system/rebuilding Jazz team.
 
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I'm uncomfortable with how completely he disappeared after the trade deadline. I don't think he'll be back, and probably because he doesn't want to be. Seriously, he can probably get a very similar offer from a team that's gonna win a lot of games. I don't know about you, but that sounds a lot more enjoyable to be a part of than a new-coach/new-system/rebuilding Jazz team.
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I think he expressed a desire to return. And who DIDN'T disappear after the deadline? The whole team collapsed.
In Marvin's case, he just wore down. He played SF the previous season and was never told to expect he might play PF, let alone start at that position. Is Marvin a top-tier starter? No. But he does have skills as a defender and 3-pt shooter. I certainly don't envision him as our starting PF, but at a mid-level price, he could be a decent backup (which is also what I classify the "5th" starter as).
 
Core4 said:
I think he expressed a desire to return. And who DIDN'T disappear after the deadline? The whole team collapsed.
In Marvin's case, he just wore down. He played SF the previous season and was never told to expect he might play PF, let alone start at that position. Is Marvin a top-tier starter? No. But he does have skills as a defender and 3-pt shooter. I certainly don't envision him as our starting PF, but at a mid-level price, he could be a decent backup (which is also what I classify the "5th" starter as).
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I agree with you on all of this. I just don't think he'll be back.
 
Core4 said:
Every team has a "token" 5th starter who is not a primary option on offense. And the Jazz have no SF's (if Hayward is indeed a SG). Marvin is a decent defender and can knock down the three. Unless the Jazz draft a stud SF, Williams would be a decent 20 min/per player. He starts and comes out early, then Hayward slides over to SF when Burks enters the game. Gordon/Alec get 35 mins each, Williams gets 20-25. Or have Marvin come off the bench if Hayward can be the starting SF. Just depends on who the Jazz draft or acquire in a trade. What I like about Marvin is he can also fill in at PF in case of injuries. For the right price, he'd be a good veteran to keep.
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Well if the Jazz draft a SF with their lottery pick there is no reason to keep him.
 
cowhide said:
Well if the Jazz draft a SF with their lottery pick there is no reason to keep him.
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As a swing forward and injury insurance he'd still have value.
Even with Kanter/Favors/Gobert and Hayward/Burks/Wiggins, you still need a 4th big for 10-15 mins. and a 4th wing for around 5-10 mins. Of course, it also depends on who the Jazz draft with their 23rd pick. Someone like Payne could fit in nicely as their 4th big. Or vice versa; maybe they get a PF with #5 and then pick up a SF at #23.
 
Core4 said:
As a swing forward and injury insurance he'd still have value.
Even with Kanter/Favors/Gobert and Hayward/Burks/Wiggins, you still need a 4th big for 10-15 mins. and a 4th wing for around 5-10 mins. Of course, it also depends on who the Jazz draft with their 23rd pick. Someone like Payne could fit in nicely as their 4th big. Or vice versa; maybe they get a PF with #5 and then pick up a SF at #23.
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You said there weren't enough minutes for Kanter/Favors/Gobert and now you are talking about needing a 4th big. I rather play Jeremy Evans instead of spending 5-6 million a year on Marvin.
 
cowhide said:
You said there weren't enough minutes for Kanter/Favors/Gobert and now you are talking about needing a 4th big. I rather play Jeremy Evans instead of spending 5-6 million a year on Marvin.
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How are there not enough mins for Kanter, Favors and Gobert? 96/3 = 32 and it's a sure bet Gobert ain't playing 32 mins. If the Jazz were to draft a PF, THEN there aren't enough mins. for those other 3. The problem with Evans is he doesn't stretch the floor. So play Jeremy inside and have Enes spot up for a corner 3? I'm not opposed to having Enes shot 1-2 a game to keep him happy. But Enes' true value is as an offensive rebounder. Let him drift outside constantly and you take that away.

Besides, even with a raise for Hayward, the Jazz are going to have to spend some money to reach the salary floor. If they can't get a couple of higher-priced players via FA or a trade, Marvin would be a good guy to sign on a 2-yr deal. Then he's off the books once money starts to get a little tight.
 
Core4 said:
How are there not enough mins for Kanter, Favors and Gobert? 96/3 = 32 and it's a sure bet Gobert ain't playing 32 mins. If the Jazz were to draft a PF, THEN there aren't enough mins. for those other 3. The problem with Evans is he doesn't stretch the floor. So play Jeremy inside and have Enes spot up for a corner 3? I'm not opposed to having Enes shot 1-2 a game to keep him happy. But Enes' true value is as an offensive rebounder. Let him drift outside constantly and you take that away.

Besides, even with a raise for Hayward, the Jazz are going to have to spend some money to reach the salary floor. If they can't get a couple of higher-priced players via FA or a trade, Marvin would be a good guy to sign on a 2-yr deal. Then he's off the books once money starts to get a little tight.
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I didn't say there weren't enough minutes for the big 3 men. You did in an early post. Well since we don't know what everyone's contract will be it is simply speculation on if we have enough money and if Marvin is looking to take a pay cut. The Jazz have a lot of young guys, I'd rather save the money on them instead of giving it to vets who have a history of getting hurt and disappearing. Jeremy isn't a 3 pt shooter but he has a nice 15 foot jump shot. Beside we are talking about 15-20 minutes a game. Again it depends on who we draft, what happens if we draft a shooter at 23 and a SF with our lotto pick. Do we need big guys shooting 3 pointers. I am not saying you don't have some valid points, I just saying it is too early to think about bringing Marvin back without knowing what the Jazz will need. I am not completely against bringing him back about 90/10. I just don't see him wanting to take a substantial pay cut and after next year the Jazz will need every penny they can get.
 
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Fortunately the draft is before free agency begins so Utah will have the luxury of knowing what position(s) still need to be shored up.
 
We need to get a good coach who use these players better than Corbin. I don't mind any of these vets if they are used in the right way.

Corbin was too in love with the vets, and I think his philosophy wasn't best suited for this team. We need someone will balls. Big ones.
 
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