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My point had nothing to do with conference affiliation. And you know that. You're just being an *** about it (your norm). My point was that for years and years Ute fans bitched relentlessly about the type of behavior BYU fans exhibited and that Ute fans are now exhibiting.
Most BYU fans I know recognize and acknowledge where we are in the scheme of things. We also recognize that Utah has become the better program. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the behavior and attitude.
 
bigb said:
My point had nothing to do with conference affiliation. And you know that. You're just being an *** about it (your norm). My point was that for years and years Ute fans bitched relentlessly about the type of behavior BYU fans exhibited and that Ute fans are now exhibiting.
Most BYU fans I know recognize and acknowledge where we are in the scheme of things. We also recognize that Utah has become the better program. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the behavior and attitude.
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Ignoring the difference that the conference makes is like ignoring the elephant in the room. Making any "points" that are ignorant of this difference is ridiculous.

Also, it's funny to hear you talk about being an ***. The last time the me vs. trout argument got rebooted and the threads got bumped, it was hilarious to see what a bleeding stuck *** you were to me, and I don't think I've ever paid much attention to you.

In other words, keep whiffing, braugh.
 
bigb said:
You're going to come in and tell me I'm wrong and all that, but this post right here is the exact thing that Ute fans used to say was wrong about BYU fan. It comes across as elitist, condescending, smug, and holier-than-thou. I guess when the tables turn, they all do.
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I don't disagree at all. BYU had LaVell. Other than that, it's been a Utah world. And what BYU did with LaVell was incredible. But, those days were twenty years ago and Independance hasn't been kind to BYU.
 
Bigb - I am glad you said what you said. I'll try to not be that condescending jerk. It's hard when my brother in law is the worst stereotypical BYU fan and I come and vent here. Call me out when I'm a jerk.
 
green said:
Bigb - I am glad you said what you said. I'll try to not be that condescending jerk. It's hard when my brother in law is the worst stereotypical BYU fan and I come and vent here. Call me out when I'm a jerk.
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Wow. What a nice post. Good on ya green.
 
NAOS said:
Ignoring the difference that the conference makes is like ignoring the elephant in the room. Making any "points" that are ignorant of this difference is ridiculous.

Also, it's funny to hear you talk about being an ***. The last time the me vs. trout argument got rebooted and the threads got bumped, it was hilarious to see what a bleeding stuck *** you were to me, and I don't think I've ever paid much attention to you.

In other words, keep whiffing, braugh.
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Acting as though conference affiliation is the driving force in making a program is just ridiculous. Ask Iowa State, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Purdue, Illinois, Kansas, Oregon State, or Colorado. Their football programs are just outstanding. Can it help? Absolutely. Has it helped Utah? Undoubtedly. Does it change the fact that Ute fans acting like green did in that post are incredibly hypocritical? Nope. And that's my point. And big props to [MENTION=228]green[/MENTION] for his response.

I'm not sure what thread you're referring to here, but that's neither here nor there. If I was an *** (and I fully acknowledge I am completely capable of being a major ***) then I apologize.
 
green said:
Bigb - I am glad you said what you said. I'll try to not be that condescending jerk. It's hard when my brother in law is the worst stereotypical BYU fan and I come and vent here. Call me out when I'm a jerk.
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I think we all need to be reeled in from time to time, in all aspects of our lives.
 
bigb said:
Acting as though conference affiliation is the driving force in making a program is just ridiculous. Ask Iowa State, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Purdue, Illinois, Kansas, Oregon State, or Colorado. Their football programs are just outstanding. Can it help? Absolutely. Has it helped Utah? Undoubtedly. Does it change the fact that Ute fans acting like green did in that post are incredibly hypocritical? Nope. And that's my point. And big props to [MENTION=228]green[/MENTION] for his response.

I'm not sure what thread you're referring to here, but that's neither here nor there. If I was an *** (and I fully acknowledge I am completely capable of being a major ***) then I apologize.
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Acting as though conference affiliation isn't a driving force in a rivalry is just ridiculous. Part of the reason the rivalry got so intense was because BYU and Utah shared the same conference for so long. Despite the intensity both teams did share a conference and most fans weren't rooting for the other to lose OOC games or bowl games. Srsly think about it, how many UTES fans speak glowingly about Steve Young and Danny Ainge?(answer:most do) That intense but good spirited rivalry has(since Utah leaving to the PAC12)devolved into pure unadulterated hatred. I think a lot of that comes from BYU measuring itself against UTAH despite it no longer being appropriate. Utah measures itself against the PAC12. Utah St. measures itself against the MWC. There's nothing wrong there. BYU still measures itself largely against UTAH. It needs to stop
 
♪alt13 said:
Acting as though conference affiliation isn't a driving force in a rivalry is just ridiculous. Part of the reason the rivalry got so intense was because BYU and Utah shared the same conference for so long. Despite the intensity both teams did share a conference and most fans weren't rooting for the other to lose OOC games or bowl games. Srsly think about it, how many UTES fans speak glowingly about Steve Young and Danny Ainge?(answer:most do) That intense but good spirited rivalry has(since Utah leaving to the PAC12)devolved into pure unadulterated hatred. I think a lot of that comes from BYU measuring itself against UTAH despite it no longer being appropriate. Utah measures itself against the PAC12. Utah St. measures itself against the MWC. There's nothing wrong there. BYU still measures itself largely against UTAH. It needs to stop
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Agreed. Although the rivalry was going downhill before the Utes went to the PAC12. It started when Utah started winning more. That's on us BYU fans. But my point had nothing to do with conference. It was about fans behavior.
 
bigb said:
Agreed. Although the rivalry was going downhill before the Utes went to the PAC12. It started when Utah started winning more. That's on us BYU fans. But my point had nothing to do with conference. It was about fans behavior.
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but fan behavior has lots to do with conference. You can keep typing as if that issue can be bracketed, but it can't. But, yeah, you can keep typing.
 
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