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I've never seen a team so thoroughly beat themselves. The Utes should have won this game. They won't because of themselves. 2 fumbles with no contact, 1 of which cost them a TD. Stupid INT when they were in FG range. Penalties, and stupid plays.

I still think the Pac 12 refs are pieces of ****, but they didn't cost Utah this game.

Accurate. Too many self inflicted stuff. Thought the second targeting/roughing the passer was bs, basically gifted them 7 points. But yeah we couldnt help ourselves when given the opportunity, case in point the guy who fumbled the ball out of bounds instead of running it in for the touchdown. Browning wanted to gift us one back and we couldnt take it . Very frustrating game. To say the least.
 
I've never seen a team so thoroughly beat themselves. The Utes should have won this game. They won't because of themselves. 2 fumbles with no contact, 1 of which cost them a TD. Stupid INT when they were in FG range. Penalties, and stupid plays.

I still think the Pac 12 refs are pieces of ****, but they didn't cost Utah this game.

Agreed.
There was a perfect long ball pass by Huntley. Dropped by the receiver. The fumbles were really bad especially the d-lineman. THe ejections were questionable...... it sucks that the refs can’t look at the degree of the offense and it has to be so black and white. There wasn’t any headhunting going on out there. (I have a lot of frustration with this rule partly because of the BYU vs Utah game a few years ago)
I think intent should weigh heavily.... also think offensive players should be treated the same way.

Way physical game. Poor covey got hit so hard like a million times. Saw Huntley get bent over backwards brutally at the end of the game.

Tough loss and tough game to watch.
 
Did the Utes hire Ty Detmer? Lol

Utes offense has sucked for a long time..... haven’t been really good since 04’.
Defense and special team are usually near the top in the nation. Offense ALWAYS is what holds them back from really breaking through in the pac12
 
Huntley does not look comfortable at all in the offense the Utes are trying to run.

Neither did Troy Williams, or Wilson, or Wynn, or whoever was qb in recent history.
 
So the full game is available on youtube if anyone wants to watch it



I didn't realize it was the other ankle Moss injured so he's playing on two bad ankles and you can see him grimacing. Not ideal. Based on Utah's first touchdown drive you would have thought Huntley would have a great game. His accuracy was way off and has been all season. You gotta give the receiver a chance to catch the ball. Browning makes some curious decisions sometimes but he at least gives his guys the chance to make the play.

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Here is a screen shot of the second targeting call, I've watched this several times and the guy the ejected made no contact whatsoever with Browning. The guy on the bottom made a clean hit on Browning so who's the foul on? The official call was roughing the passer with targeting and they reviewed it and confirmed the call and the ejected the Ute defender on top? Very curious. Browning's head snapped back but it was because of the hit delivered by the guy on the bottom.
 
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So the full game is available on youtube if anyone wants to watch it



I didn't realize it was the other ankle Moss injured so he's playing on two bad ankles and you can see him grimacing. Not ideal. Based on Utah's first touchdown drive you would have thought Huntley would have a great game. His accuracy was way off and has been all season. You gotta give the receiver a chance to catch the ball. Browning makes some curious decisions sometimes but he at least gives his guys the chance to make the play.

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Here is a screen shot of the second targeting call, I've watched this several times and the guy the ejected made no contact whatsoever with Browning. The guy on the bottom made a clean hit on Browning so who's the foul on? The official call was roughing the passer with targeting and they reviewed it and confirmed the call and the ejected the Ute defender on top? Very curious. Browning's head snapped back but it was because of the hit delivered by the guy on the bottom.


I was certain I saw the big dude who went highs helmet hit browning in the chin...... very softly.
They need to just start looking at intent. Toss guys who are headhunting and understand that accidental incidental contact is going to occur sometimes and let that stuff go.

In this particular screenshot you posted it might have helped the Ute player not get ejected if his head was up..... then again maybe not. Who knows anymore.

A few years ago when BYU played Utah a BYU DB (Nacua?) got ejected and there was zero helmet contact at all. No ill intent. Nothing. Worst I have seen still to this day. (Then another DB, mcchesney, got ejected on the very next play I believe. And while that one was worse, it was still a bit ticky tack)

It’s such a big game changer. In that game it was a very close game and Utah got back to back 15 yard plays out of it and BYU lost 2 defenders (one of them, nacua, one of their best. I think nacua even had an interception or two in that game before he was ejected). Those penalties could have been the deciding factor in the game since iirc that was the game that came down to the failed 2 point conversion by Taysom Hill.


Targeting penalties suck.
 
You must have better eyes than I do, but yeah should have been let go if there was.

here's Whitt's postgame conference:
 
I saw the that happen and watched the replays. I think his helmet makes very slight contact with the face mask. I don’t know how that is targeting. I’ve given up trying to understand that rule. There is absolutely no way that should be a penalty, let alone an ejection.
 
I saw the that happen and watched the replays. I think his helmet makes very slight contact with the face mask. I don’t know how that is targeting. I’ve given up trying to understand that rule. There is absolutely no way that should be a penalty, let alone an ejection.

Yup. My thoughts too.
 
The Big Pac

PAC 12 merge with 8 Big 12 schools

Divisions

North West
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St
Stanford

West
Cal-Berkeley
USC
UCLA
Utah
Colorado

South west
Texas
Texas Tech
Oklahoma St
Arizona
Arizona St

Midwest
Oklahoma
Kansas
Kansas St
Iowa St
West Virginia

SCHEDULE
4 in Division games 4 out and 1 semifinal
Example Utah schedule

OOC
OOC

@TX
AZ
@Kansas
Oklahoma

USC
@Colorado
UCLA
@Cal
(At this point the division has been decided. The teams will be ranked 1-5 and play their final conference game against the corresponding rank in the Northwest division with home field rotating by division each year. An out of conference game/bye is scheduled for the 2nd to last week to allow fans more time to make travel plans.)

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@Northwest division team TBA

The winner of the the #1 ranked games would advance to the Big Pac title game
 
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