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OKC or San Antonio?

"I'm your density," what's should be ours?

  • OKC

    Votes: 37 44.6%
  • San Antonio

    Votes: 22 26.5%
  • Please, let us get our picks!

    Votes: 24 28.9%

  • Total voters
    83
Utah has a chance to steal one game against OKC.

Spurs sweep us, and it's not close.

Sounds like fun. Can't wait to do it again next year.
 
That's the goal, right? Just barely making the playoffs every year?

Yeah, the last thing we want to do is miss the playoffs by a game. Then we automatically turn into a team like the Kings, Clippers, Warriors, etc., and will lose every single year from now on. In fact, if we don't make the playoffs, we might as well just trade all of our players, as they will be mentally destroyed for the rest of their careers. We may even have to sell the team, since it will be permanently damaged goods.
 
That's the goal, right? Just barely making the playoffs every year?
Yep. Jazz make the playoffs this season and Greggy Boy and KOC automatically have a reason to do nothing to the roster. Heck, they might even bring back CJ. You know...with no training camp, a shortened season, injuries down the stretch, young players just starting to develop...we just don't know yet what this roster can do.
 
God, when did our fans become some whiny *******? You all need to man the **** up and stop cowering in the corner pissing yourself like a three-year old terrified of what's under his bed.
 
God, when did our fans become some whiny *******? You all need to man the **** up and stop cowering in the corner pissing yourself like a three-year old terrified of what's under his bed.

Believe it or not, some of us are tired of the same old Jazz who make the playoffs every year, but never actually go anywhere. We had a huge opportunity to stockpile on talent using this draft and we blew it. We ****ing blew it. So excuse me for being less than optimistic about us losing out on this chance just for the sake of having our asses handed to us on national television.
 
OKC is full of dumb talented kids. SAS is full of smart talented veterans. San Antonio has wiped the floor with us in every game this season. (Yeah, I know, we won one game against them, but it was without their Big Three, and we almost lost anyway.)

As for the pick, yeah, it'd be nice to have-- but there isn't anything too special with the position in which we'd be drafting. With any luck, we can trade up to it.
 
Believe it or not, some of us are tired of the same old Jazz who make the playoffs every year, but never actually go anywhere. We had a huge opportunity to stockpile on talent using this draft and we blew it. We ****ing blew it. So excuse me for being less than optimistic about us losing out on this chance just for the sake of having our asses handed to us on national television.

We blew nothing. Even making the lottery doesn't guarantee the Jazz jack ****, so stop acting like drafting 14th later this summer automatically assures Utah of great fortunes down the road. It's all a crapshoot. All you have to do is ask the handful of teams recently who've toiled in the lottery for the last umpteenth years. So don't come at me with this ******** argument that we're giving up our future for a spot in the playoffs because no one on this board knows whether that future lies in the lottery or the development of this team.

Personally, I'd rather root for a team that doesn't give up and concede the lottery because teams that do that have a high probability of being in that lottery long term than competing for a playoff spot.

So, yeah, stop whining and enjoy the run.
 
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We blew nothing. Even making the lottery doesn't guarantee the Jazz jack ****, so stop acting like drafting 14th later this summer automatically assures Utah of great fortunes down the road. It's all a crapshoot. All you have to do is ask the handful of teams recently who've toiled in the lottery for the last umpteenth years. So don't come at me with this ******** argument that we're giving up our future for a spot in the playoffs because no one on this board knows whether that future lies in the lottery or the development of this team.

Personally, I'd rather root for a team that doesn't give up and concede the lottery because teams that do that have a high probability of being in that lottery long term than competing for a playoff spot.

So, yeah, stop whining and enjoy the run.

No one is saying the lottery is a guarantee, I have no idea where you and others get the idea that anyone is arguing that. But at least it provides a CHANCE at getting more talent, instead of just staying where we are. And ask any scout--the 2012 draft is expected to be one of the deepest of all time.

Honest question, have you looked at any 2012 mocks? This is no normal draft, dude. The 14th pick in 2012 is as good as the 5th pick in 2011, IMO. My point is that the chances are much higher of getting a good player at #14 in this draft then any other draft. This is the year to be in the lottery.

I expect everyone on your side of the argument to see this eventually. We'll get swept by the Spurs, then we'll see several players we could have drafted late in the lottery go on to be successful. In a year or two, or probably even sooner, you'll all be wondering if it was really worth it.

Stop ragging on those of us who want more than to just "enjoy the ride" of getting knocked out of the first round year, after year.
 
Just because there is a chance doesn't mean we should become that team that decides taking a chance on the lottery is better than taking a chance in the playoffs. I feel confident in saying that is a dumb way to run a team because so many franchises have tried your way and failed horribly. In fact, of the teams that are lining up for the lottery this season, most have spent a good portion of the last decade stuck right in the lottery.

I wonder why that is?

So, yes, I'll happily take a playoff berth over a crapshoot pick at 14th that may or may not pan out and may or may not prove to be that beneficiary to our franchise in the long run. The fact so many of you are content with losing just because you want to draft in the lottery proves to me that this type of mindset becomes increasingly difficult to break. It's like smoking crack. Once you get the taste of the lottery, and fool yourself into believing that this is a sustainable and successful way of building a team, then when you find yourself in the same position next year, you're again wishing for the lottery. A year from there, bring on the lottery again! Who wants to be in the playoffs as an 8th seed anyway?

Before you realize it, this franchise has tolerated losing for so long to build up their team in the lottery, that they've got a loser mentality, a loser coach, loser fans and no playoff berths. That's how franchises like Charlotte and Golden State and Sacramento languish in the bottom-half of their conferences year in and year out. Oh sure, there's always that chance you get to draft a Chris Paul or Deron Williams or a LeBron James that can instantly remake your franchise. But that's not an option in this year's draft. We know, regardless of how deep it is, Utah's pick is going to be far more riskier than those picks I just mentioned.

You can pretend that the missing link is somewhere in this lottery. You can pretend that Utah will become an instant contender with just one pick. But I won't. I've seen too many teams, too many times, fail at doing what you're suggesting. So, as a fan, the first thing I want from my team is one that competes night in and night out. I've gotten that. I am excited that when all looked lost, this team still bounced back and still positioned themselves for a playoff berth, even though most had written them off a week ago, a month ago...hell, they were written off before this season started.

As a fan, this is what I want to see. Not a team that is okay with losing on the chance (and you admit it's a chance) they'll be able to better their position in the draft.

The next thing I want to see is a team that understands winning. So many franchises don't get winning. They don't know it. It's foreign to them. They have so many failed seasons that everyone, from the fans to the players to the coaches to the front office, seems to have forgotten what it takes to win. What I know is that one of our better players, who may or may not be the future, has never played in a playoff game, even though he's been in the league since 2004. What I know is that our head coach has never coached a playoff game in his life. What I know is that I have not sat in the ESA during a meaningful playoff game since the first-round series of the 2010 NBA Playoffs. I like that. I like the anticipation of a playoff game. I like being able to watch my team surprise. I like the emotion of a potential victory, even if I know deep down it's not going to amount to jack ****.

That's what being a fan is all about. You want to cheer for a team that consistently plays for the lottery, well you've got a helluva lot of options in front of you. But I want to cheer for a team that fights tooth and nail to make the postseason, even if it means they get owned in the first round, even if means they miss out on some potential that doesn't even exist yet because we don't know how the lottery will shake out.

That's why I cheer and I'm glad I'm cheering for a team that recognizes what this game is all about. If they don't make the playoffs, I would rather it come fighting down to the last second than conceding, weeks ago, their lot in life. This year's Jazz haven't accepted or conceded anything and have decided to create their own outcome.

Finally, you don't cheer for a team that gets knocked out in the first round year after year. In fact, Utah has only lost in the first round of the playoffs a handful of times and only once since their return to the playoffs in 2007 (2009). Every other year has been marked by a trip to the second round or Western Conference Finals. Which, I'm assuming, is a far better playoff success rate than most teams in the league.
 
We can argue all we want about how successful of a strategy the lottery is, but I'm convinced neither of us are going to sway each other. So I'll say this: it seems like at least my strategy, however much you may disagree with it, is a way that might help us win a championship. Yes, a championship. Not just being a "pretty good" team. So my question is this: if you don't like the draft rout, then what is your plan for winning a championship? Do you honestly believe that we have the pieces necessary? Do you think we're going to get any major free agents? Do you see us acquiring great pieces in a blockbuster trade? With a small market and typically timid front office when it comes to risky trades, I feel like the draft is our best chance at building a true contender, and the 2012 draft is the best draft to add a few pieces to our young core.

BTW, you never answered my question: have you looked at any 2012 mocks? Do you know the prospects thoroughly? You seem to ignore my comments about the strength of this draft and how the talent available at #14 is better than you could possibly hope for. It's not as much of a "crap shoot" as in other drafts--not by a long shot. Unless you are informed about the players in this draft and where they'll likely be available, I'm not sure I can take your opinion seriously in this sort of debate, since we're talking about this draft specifically, not just the draft in general.
 
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