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One year and seven days til we sign Deron again!!!

Joe Bagadonuts said:
Duh. I guess I'll have to spell it out more clearly. I think it's too bad that when some people see something exceptional their first reaction is to try and tear it down. Is there a chance you'll be correct? Of course. Is there a chance you're completely off base? Of course. I'm sure this kid is already facing many doubters like yourself, and I hope he's figuring out a way to deal with them as well as possible.
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Putting pressure on the kid and having such expectations as you describe at such a young age is exactly the problem. I have no problem with the kid at all. But he shouldn't be on youtube imo. And his dad shouldn't be interviewing about him imo. Therein is where the problem lies.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
Putting pressure on the kid and having such expectations as you describe at such a young age is exactly the problem. I have no problem with the kid at all. But he shouldn't be on youtube imo. And his dad shouldn't be interviewing about him imo. Therein is where the problem lies.
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Okay. I don't think we're really that far apart in our assessment, but we are way apart in what we see as our appropriate reaction. I certainly see reason to be concerned about the kid, as with any kid. I definitely think it's unfair and potentially damaging to anticipate his failure. I also think it's unrealistic to think that people aren't going to be interested enough in his amazing skills for video of him to end up on YouTube, or for the dad to be willing to talk about him. I hope the family can figure out the best way to deal with this situation and I congratulate them on their accomplishments so far.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
The crazy thing is that DWill is now in a position to do more for the reputation of Utah as a place that players would want to play than anybody else ever has been. I'd be stunned if he even considered coming back, but if he did it would be the clearest signal ever sent that this is a good place for NBA players to spend their careers. I'd be a major fan of that move.
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That's the positive side. The negative I think someone alluded to already.

The Jazz would be vilified since it would look like they and Deron were in cahoots to pull a fast one on the Nets, to strip them of assets in exchange for a 1.5 year rental of Deron before Deron returns to Utah. Yikes, that looks pretty shiity, dontcha think? This is a negative for the reputation of Utah.
 
BENTLEY said:
That's the positive side. The negative I think someone alluded to already.

The Jazz would be vilified since it would look like they and Deron were in cahoots to pull a fast one on the Nets, to strip them of assets in exchange for a 1.5 year rental of Deron before Deron returns to Utah. Yikes, that looks pretty shiity, dontcha think? This is a negative for the reputation of Utah.
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Funny, but I'm not sure Utah's reputation wouldn't be enhanced. I mean (a la Kanter), Utah's overall reputation is goody-goody, holier-than-thou ... maybe it should sprinkle in some 'do what it takes to win a championship', ya know?
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Okay. I don't think we're really that far apart in our assessment, but we are way apart in what we see as our appropriate reaction. I certainly see reason to be concerned about the kid, as with any kid. I definitely think it's unfair and potentially damaging to anticipate his failure. I also think it's unrealistic to think that people aren't going to be interested enough in his amazing skills for video of him to end up on YouTube, or for the dad to be willing to talk about him. I hope the family can figure out the best way to deal with this situation and I congratulate them on their accomplishments so far.
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No, we're not so far apart. But I'm not quite sure how it's potentially damaging? We're on the interwebz for God's sake. Not involved in the kid's life. Unless that is, of course, you think Lil' Baller here is going to happen to peruse Jazzfanz, come across this thread, read my comments, and develop a drug habit out of some sad, self-fulfilling prophecy-type take on it all. If that's the case, I doubt he'd ever have made it anyway.
 
BENTLEY said:
That's the positive side. The negative I think someone alluded to already.

The Jazz would be vilified since it would look like they and Deron were in cahoots to pull a fast one on the Nets, to strip them of assets in exchange for a 1.5 year rental of Deron before Deron returns to Utah. Yikes, that looks pretty shiity, dontcha think? This is a negative for the reputation of Utah.
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You honestly believe that somebody would believe they trumped up the story of Williams driving out a Hall of Fame coach so that they could set this up? Anybody who was willing to believe such a story is obviously an idiot, so I wouldn't worry about that scenario at all.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
No, we're not so far apart. But I'm not quite sure how it's potentially damaging? We're on the interwebz for God's sake. Not involved in the kid's life. Unless that is, of course, you think Lil' Baller here is going to happen to peruse Jazzfanz, come across this thread, read my comments, and develop a drug habit out of some sad, self-fulfilling prophecy-type take on it all. If that's the case, I doubt he'd ever have made it anyway.
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Believe it or not, I think it matters what you say and how you behave regardless of whether the person you're talking about is ever going to hear it or not.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
You honestly believe that somebody would believe they trumped up the story of Williams driving out a Hall of Fame coach so that they could set this up? Anybody who was willing to believe such a story is obviously an idiot, so I wouldn't worry about that scenario at all.
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I'm not saying I believe it. But the media often comes up with the most incendiary version of facts/circumstances in order to tell a sell a more interesting, albeit gossipy, story. Much more interesting than the bland truth.And since interesting is preferred over bland, many accept the gossip as truth. I don't think the media will do small market Utah any favors and will prefer to paint the Jazz as villains.
But if it was Los Angeles or NY who pillaged a small market team I think it might be slanted as sly business, instead of villainous.

I guess we can wait and see where Deron signs before any of this is relevant. But you gotta admit it would be a very interesting story if Deron ended up re-signing with Utah.
 
BENTLEY said:
I'm not saying I believe it. But the media often comes up with the most incendiary version of facts/circumstances in order to tell a sell a more interesting, albeit gossipy, story. Much more interesting than the bland truth.And since interesting is preferred over bland, many accept the gossip as truth. I don't think the media will do small market Utah any favors and will prefer to paint the Jazz as villains.
But if it was Los Angeles or NY who pillaged a small market team I think it might be slanted as sly business, instead of villainous.

I guess we can wait and see where Deron signs before any of this is relevant. But you gotta admit it would be a very interesting story if Deron ended up re-signing with Utah.
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Yes, I agree it would be an amazing story and that the media has the power to slant it either way. Anybody whose paying attention or willing to do the tiniest bit of research will be able to see what really happened. As you suggest, though, this scenario doesn't really have a snowballs chance in hell of panning out.
 
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