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Howard said:
Sad thing is that we have crops that require less pesticides, but farmers can't/wont grow thrm because the market won't support GMO foods. Morons that don't know anything about what they eat anyways. People that buy organic crack me up though, my favorite however are the ones that buy gmo free bread.
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Please expand on your organic comment. I'd love to know what you mean.
 
Gameface said:
I guess I don't quite get the joke, as far as what makes GMO free bread even more ridiculous than your typical GMO free type food?
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GMO wheat isn't even allowed to be grown in the United states. Everything is GMO free wheat, it's just clever marketing targeting wealthy idiots.
 
Howard said:
GMO wheat isn't even allowed to be grown in the United states. Everything is GMO free wheat, it's just clever marketing targeting wealthy idiots.
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Ahh, kind of like how Red Vines advertises on their package that it is a fat free food. I mean, not really the same, but pretty close to the same kind of stupid.
 
One time I bought organic carrots by mistake. Was pretty mad cause those MF'ers cost like 5$ compared to the 1$ bag of carrots I usually get.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
Please expand on your organic comment. I'd love to know what you mean.
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The benefits are negligible compared to anything else, certainly no health benefits, they're certainly not any better for the soil (I would argue organic farming mines more nutrients from the soil than conventional farming), and it's more expensive. At the end of the day, are you even sure its an organic product?

The problem with organic is that it's very hard to get a quality weed and disease free seed without conventional methods, and they're not changing the standards on what a product needs to be certified seed...so if an organic grower can't find any organic seed (which is the normal), they're allowed to purchase conventional seed and market it as organic. If the original product isn't organic, then the final product can't be either. So you're spending more because organic farming is incredibly inefficient, all because you think it's better for you due to clever marketing. It's all a scam, imo. The chances of us feeding a growing worl population without conventional techniques are nilch. Nada. Zero.
 
Howard said:
The benefits are negligible compared to anything else, certainly no health benefits, they're certainly not any better for the soil (I would argue organic farming mines more nutrients from the soil than conventional farming), and it's more expensive. At the end of the day, are you even sure its an organic product?

The problem with organic is that it's very hard to get a quality weed and disease free seed without conventional methods, and they're not changing the standards on what a product needs to be certified seed...so if an organic grower can't find any organic seed (which is the normal), they're allowed to purchase conventional seed and market it as organic. If the original product isn't organic, then the final product can't be either. So you're spending more because organic farming is incredibly inefficient, all because you think it's better for you due to clever marketing. It's all a scam, imo. The chances of us feeding a growing worl population without conventional techniques are nilch. Nada. Zero.
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Thank you.
 
Howard said:
The benefits are negligible compared to anything else, certainly no health benefits, they're certainly not any better for the soil (I would argue organic farming mines more nutrients from the soil than conventional farming), and it's more expensive. At the end of the day, are you even sure its an organic product?

The problem with organic is that it's very hard to get a quality weed and disease free seed without conventional methods, and they're not changing the standards on what a product needs to be certified seed...so if an organic grower can't find any organic seed (which is the normal), they're allowed to purchase conventional seed and market it as organic. If the original product isn't organic, then the final product can't be either. So you're spending more because organic farming is incredibly inefficient, all because you think it's better for you due to clever marketing. It's all a scam, imo. The chances of us feeding a growing worl population without conventional techniques are nilch. Nada. Zero.
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If we're looking at the list of things that need to be addressed in order to solve 'world hunger' (as if this is the priority of any farmer), stopping organic farming would drop to the bottom of the list.
 
Howard said:
The benefits are negligible compared to anything else, certainly no health benefits, they're certainly not any better for the soil (I would argue organic farming mines more nutrients from the soil than conventional farming), and it's more expensive. At the end of the day, are you even sure its an organic product?

The problem with organic is that it's very hard to get a quality weed and disease free seed without conventional methods, and they're not changing the standards on what a product needs to be certified seed...so if an organic grower can't find any organic seed (which is the normal), they're allowed to purchase conventional seed and market it as organic. If the original product isn't organic, then the final product can't be either. So you're spending more because organic farming is incredibly inefficient, all because you think it's better for you due to clever marketing. It's all a scam, imo. The chances of us feeding a growing worl population without conventional techniques are nilch. Nada. Zero.
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Fully agree that chances of you getting something organic from the store even if labeled are slim at best. As far as health concerns go I have read studies both ways and have no argument one way or another.

As far as the last statement goes about not being able to feed the world on organic food I would like to see more on this. All the studies coming out lately have shown that we can. From what I have read lately in studies is that organic farms are producing at around 97% efficiency compared to non organic farms now and their rates are more sustainable long term due to the land being harvest able for longer periods of time. Modern tech has helped the organic process quite a bit.

If it cost the same (as it should long term) and we knew it was actually organic and had a real process for ensuring that, then I am not sure why everyone wouldn't eat organic. Pesticides in small doses seem to have a low impact but long term they cant be good for your health, seems like unnecessary risk when we have the means to not use them now.

Not an expert on this at all just regurgitating what I have read lately.
 
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