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Orlando Magic close to trading away $50 million in salary.

I can't figure out why Orlando did all of the leg work here just to shaft themselves. Someone help me out;

-Is Richardson any better than VC? Mid-season trades universally make the players involved play less than optimally.
-The Magic looked like damn geniuses letting Hedo walk, now they come crawling back to the shell that they let go? So confused.
-Why is Orlando giving up picks and cash to PHX?(!!!)
-The Magic apparently wouldn't do a deal with Houston because they wouldn't include Kevin Martin, so they opt to throw their assets for PHX's trash?
-How does opting for a washed-up chucker headcase that plays no D on a team that doesn't need another PG with AN ADDITIONAL YEAR on his contract over a PF that spreads the floor and at least doesn't shame your organization annually on a shorter deal help? I don't get this at all. What the **** are they thinking? This is madness.
-Among 8 players and $50 million trading hands, the Magic somehow LOST a C and didn't get another one back? I would argue the Magic let the most important player in these trades go (Gortat, even if they didn't need him terribly) because Gortat is the only one that isn't totally unproven (Clark) while also not being clearly on the down slope of his career.

Wizards and Suns made out like bandits in the night, except Orlando broke into their houses and gave them everything. I think they're as bewildered as I am right now. Good for them.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I can't figure out why Orlando did all of the leg work here just to shaft themselves. Someone help me out;

-Is Richardson any better than VC? Mid-season trades universally make the players involved play less than optimally.
-The Magic looked like damn geniuses letting Hedo walk, now they come crawling back to the shell that they let go? So confused.
-Why is Orlando giving up picks and cash to PHX?(!!!)
-The Magic apparently wouldn't do a deal with Houston because they wouldn't include Kevin Martin, so they opt to throw their assets for PHX's trash?
-How does opting for a washed-up chucker headcase that plays no D on a team that doesn't need another PG with AN ADDITIONAL YEAR on his contract over a PF that spreads the floor and at least doesn't shame your organization annually on a shorter deal help? I don't get this at all. What the **** are they thinking? This is madness.
-Among 8 players and $50 million trading hands, the Magic somehow LOST a C and didn't get another one back? I would argue the Magic let the most important player in these trades go (Gortat, even if they didn't need him terribly) because Gortat is the only one that isn't totally unproven (Clark) while also not being clearly on the down slope of his career.

Wizards and Suns made out like bandits in the night, except Orlando broke into their houses and gave them everything. I think they're as bewildered as I am right now. Good for them.
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...ok, pay attention here, because I'm only going to say this once and I don't want to repeat myself! Vince Carter played NO DEFENSE whatsoever! When he's not hitting his jumpshot, which was frequently the case, he was virtually worthless. He had fallen out of favor with both VanGundy and Howard. Howard was complaining that Carter doesn't even make a feeble attempt to stay in front of his man! Richardson is better both offensively and defensively than Carter. Turkolu played very well in Orlando's system. They are gambling that he will again and hasn't lost too much since 2008. With Howards inside presence they are figuring Arena's will be getting more open looks than can be imagined....plus he's a better passer than Lewis. It could all backfire, but with Howard and Nelson still the two key pieces running the show, it probably won't. Vangundy must have signed off on the deals or they wouldn't have been made. Hard to argue against VanGundy's tract record. He took lesser players to the finals!
 
honz said:
KEK's boy Daniel Orton.
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LOL. Awesome memory bro. Did I tout him that much?

How's he doing by the way?

<looking up his stats>

Aaaaaaaaand per nba.com, there is no data for Daniel Orton. None for the D-League either.

Pittman, who I touted more than anyone else is playing good ball down in the D-League though. 15.9, 9.0, 1.7 per game. Not bad.

And who's this Orien Greene on the Flash? Do we have his rights?
 
This all means that here in a few years Dwight is going to dump Orlando and join the Lakers. By that time Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Fisher, and Odom will be retired or retiring.

Dwight will then lead the Lakers to 3 straight NBA championships.... While Orlando withers away in the lottery...

Dumb franchise.
 
It really seems like they pushed the panic button. Want to give Howard the chance to compete against the Heat... IDK I hope you are wrong about another dynasty in LA with Dwight.

I really don't see how they'll mesh Arenas and Nelson. Maybe he'll thrive as a 2/combo guard. A change of scenery should be good for Arenas either way. Where does J Rich fit into all of this? Just surround Howard with as many shooters as possible.

If this works, the Magic FO looks brilliant... I'm not too sure it's going to "work" though... we'll see obv.
 
Jean-Luc said:
Just surround Howard with as many shooters as possible.
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...I think that's what there intention was....could be a fun team to watch! Just outscore the opposition in a run and gun style....and hope Howard can continue to block a few shots....and hold up!
 
IMO, Bass was playing better than Rashard Lewis anyway, and Anderson has a world of upside; can already hit the 3-ball. Turkoglu was the Magic's go-to guy just 2 years ago; Pietrus is a better defender, but is very erratic offensively. Jason Richardson will likely back up Turkoglu at SF.
Overall, I think this could prove to be a good move by the Magic. Short-term though, Phoenix gave up very little to land a potentially very good partner in the paint for Lopez in Marcin Gortat...

.........BEFORE............................AFTER
PG Nelson, Duhon..................Nelson, Duhon
SG Carter, Redick...................Arenas, Reddick, J. Richardson
SF Pietrus, Q. Richardson........Turkoglu, Q. Richardson, J. Richardson
PF Lewis, Bass, Anderson........Bass, Anderson, Clark
C Howard, Gortat, Allen.........Howard, Allen
 
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I was never real impressed with Carter. I think the Magic was better with Reddick on the court than Carter.
Peitrus, Gortat, and Turkoglu have impressed me in the past, although I have not watched them lately. Seems like it may be a win win win.
Orlando thinks they've upgraded their starting lineup by giving up a good backup center that won't get many minutes anyway.
I was never real impressed with Nelson either.
 
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