Our Long Term Problem is Our Stars are Limited

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  1. Joncolton

    Joncolton Well-Known Member

    Jan 11, 2015
    If we compare ourselves to the Warriors (and we should because they will be back next year).

    Gobert = Draymond (DPOY)
    Mitchell = Steph (scorer go to guy, Donovan actually had a much better 3rd season - largely due to Curry's ankle injury)
    Ingles = our poor man's Klay Thompson
    Conley = our Andre Igoudala (veteran who should be able to help a lot in the playoffs)
    Clarkson = Shaun Livingston (surprising athlete off the bench who can change the game dynamic)
    Bogdanovic = the rest of our Klay Thompson (gets buckets in bunches when hot).

    When I look at it that way, I think we got a shot. Of making some noise in the playoffs, but this team needs to gel more.
  2. Ujfanatic

    Ujfanatic Member

    Jul 3, 2019
    That Warriors team was way more athletic than we are, and their comps are better than ours in every position except maybe Clarkson/Livingston.
  3. carolinajazz

    carolinajazz Well-Known Member

    May 26, 2010
    If we hit a decent percentage of our 3 pointers, we win.
  4. LogGrad98

    LogGrad98 Well-Known Member Contributor

    Jul 7, 2010
    LeBron is one of the most notorious floppers in league history. But point taken about Mitchell. I think in general we don't get the same calls other teams get, and the last 2 minute reports for the last several years prove that out.
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  5. LoPo

    LoPo Well-Known Member

    Jun 7, 2016
    LeBron does both. He trucks right through people AND he embellishes contact when fouled. He uses the refs to his advantage. However, I don't think LeBron flops when he isn't fouled. He just overacts when he is fouled.

    Mitchell could learn to do the same thing. He is strong enough to shed most PGs and SGs but needs to learn that body movement that draws ref attention to fouls. Not flop, but embellish the impact of the contact like LeBron does.

    And with us being Utah, we got good refs in the days of Stock and Malone. Not against MJ who got every call every time, but against many others. I don't think Gobert will ever get the ref respect on the offensive end because how he acts and his lack of offensive polish.

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  6. Beer

    Beer Well-Known Member

    Jan 7, 2015
    substantially better at every position other than Livingston.
  7. LogGrad98

    LogGrad98 Well-Known Member Contributor

    Jul 7, 2010
    Our players have to find a way to block out the refs and just play ball. Well never get the calls. It isn't worth taking yourself out of the flow of the game worrying complaining or whining about it. They need to just get back down court. I think this is a decent chunk of what is throwing Rudy off his game. Instead of focusing on what he can control he is spending way too much time an energy on complaining. Snyder needs to step up here and take a few techs to defend the team.
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  8. checkbookdoc

    checkbookdoc Well-Known Member

    Feb 28, 2017
    I think our stars are good enough, but only if we have the perfect compliments with them. We don't have it this year. We need an upgrade at the 4 and to add someone like Lonzo Ball in place of Conley. I would be so excited for Lonzo Ball on this team!
  9. NAOS

    NAOS Well-Known Member

    May 27, 2010
    I think our biggest long-term problem comes back to how we emptied the magazine of bullets for Conley. At some point in this process, we needed to cash in some nickels for a dime. Instead, we ended up with fewer nickels.

    So, from our new disadvantaged position (asset-wise), how do we generate another chance at a dime?

    >> have to hope like hell that this gigantic stock of g-league talent actually has real value that’s moveable in a trade.

    >> have to hope like hell that going forward we’re in the 95th percentile in terms of draft success. Basically every pick needs to bank value.

    >> pray for unprecedented lures to SLC in free agency.

    That’s a back-against-the-wall scenario for this core.
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  10. Hekate

    Hekate Well-Known Member

    Feb 14, 2012
    Gobert's impact is enormous. His shots are effective. His rolls to the rim even if he doesn't get the ball still have the gravity that allows us to be the best 3pt shooting team in the league. We are wide open because of him. It's kinda surprising to see those who watch Gobert the most to fall to the national narrative. And he is still the DPOY.
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  11. jom2003

    jom2003 Well-Known Member

    May 24, 2014
    then that's a FO problem. DM and Rudy are not the reason that we don’t have a dynamic wing on this team right now. We had more than 3 seasons to try our chances in the draft, trade and FA to invest in one but DL instead burnt all of his assets on a midget guard in Conley, which goes everything against the championship winning model in the modern game
  12. NAOS

    NAOS Well-Known Member

    May 27, 2010
    All true. And I’m ride-or-die with Rudy. But we need more from him in order to be contenders. That would involve improvement on the offensive end—obviously—since we can’t expect more on the defensive end.

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