So, looking at James harden and where he's at offensively and defensively, I'd put him at the 3rd best shooting guard in the NBA. I put him above Ginobili and Gordon because of his age and since he doesn't get injured like Ginobili and Gordon even though these two might be better in a one to one match-up.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html
https://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/12/3/eff
https://weareutahjazz.com/lockedonjazz/2012/10/27/breakdown-the-impact-of-trading-james-harden-on-the-thunder/
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--inside-look-at-james-harden-s-trade-to-rockets-28301609.html
Here are my general rankings with their salaries. These go up for many of them substantially, so this is for just right now
1/2. D. Wade/Kobe ($17/$28)
3. Harden ($15)
4. Manu Ginobili (injury prone); ($14)
5. Eric Gordon (injury prone); ($14)
I also think that he is in the top ten wings (SF: James ($17.5), Durant (17.5), Anthony ($19.5), Pierce ($17), Iguodala/Deng($15/$13)
He is thus getting paid what he should or around where he should in my view. Do you think our wings have a chance of being here?
The problem for me with our young wings is that they're relatively flawed:
Hayward (general question about his shooting consistency, aggression, and mid-range game):
--SG: too big to get around screens etc. for a SG, and he is relatively exposed on the defensive end with faster SG's (Gordon, Wade etc.), needs a better handle
--SF: Despite being tall, does not have good length, he's little light, horrible rebounder, is not a "lock down" defender like Iggy etc.
Burks (decision making, assists, defensive anticipation (passing lanes), controlled drives, mid-range, handle, shooting consistency)
--this all pertains to SG, but he can definitely play defense on PG's as well, he's very quick (better than Beaubois, Mayo, Mathews?)
I have serious questions about our young wings (they will be good, but top 5??)
My question then becomes should the Jazz be looking to turn these two into a top five guy? Would you have done this trade, and should the Jazz look to do this or did they miss an opportunity?
Would you have traded Hayward, Burks, and the Golden State Pick for Harden?
Jazz will be paying $26 mil. next year (if Marvin opts in) for our core 4, Marvin, Evans. Had the jazz done this trade we would be paying $36 mil. next year. That would have given us:
Williams, Harden, Williams, 4 bigs; Evans, Tinsley/Watson, Foye, Carroll
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html
https://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/12/3/eff
https://weareutahjazz.com/lockedonjazz/2012/10/27/breakdown-the-impact-of-trading-james-harden-on-the-thunder/
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--inside-look-at-james-harden-s-trade-to-rockets-28301609.html
Here are my general rankings with their salaries. These go up for many of them substantially, so this is for just right now
1/2. D. Wade/Kobe ($17/$28)
3. Harden ($15)
4. Manu Ginobili (injury prone); ($14)
5. Eric Gordon (injury prone); ($14)
I also think that he is in the top ten wings (SF: James ($17.5), Durant (17.5), Anthony ($19.5), Pierce ($17), Iguodala/Deng($15/$13)
He is thus getting paid what he should or around where he should in my view. Do you think our wings have a chance of being here?
The problem for me with our young wings is that they're relatively flawed:
Hayward (general question about his shooting consistency, aggression, and mid-range game):
--SG: too big to get around screens etc. for a SG, and he is relatively exposed on the defensive end with faster SG's (Gordon, Wade etc.), needs a better handle
--SF: Despite being tall, does not have good length, he's little light, horrible rebounder, is not a "lock down" defender like Iggy etc.
Burks (decision making, assists, defensive anticipation (passing lanes), controlled drives, mid-range, handle, shooting consistency)
--this all pertains to SG, but he can definitely play defense on PG's as well, he's very quick (better than Beaubois, Mayo, Mathews?)
I have serious questions about our young wings (they will be good, but top 5??)
My question then becomes should the Jazz be looking to turn these two into a top five guy? Would you have done this trade, and should the Jazz look to do this or did they miss an opportunity?
Would you have traded Hayward, Burks, and the Golden State Pick for Harden?
Jazz will be paying $26 mil. next year (if Marvin opts in) for our core 4, Marvin, Evans. Had the jazz done this trade we would be paying $36 mil. next year. That would have given us:
Williams, Harden, Williams, 4 bigs; Evans, Tinsley/Watson, Foye, Carroll