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Out-groups and berhaviors, stemming from joking about rape

One Brow said:
Look up how news commentators respond to any well-publicized rape. One example I already mentioned was the Steubenville case. Would you like more? How many?

Metro-East St. Louis.
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The same phenomenon exists in murder and accidents. I'm just asking for consistency.

Since you're getting all anecdotal on us, good friend this last summer was killed by a distracted driver doing a U-turn on a two-lane highway. Friend was on a motorcycle, no helmet, and couldn't avoid the other car. Internet threads, predictably, went off on him for not wearing a helmet. "What did he expect?" "How irresponsible." etc.

Mother of 3 in our neighborhood last month killed by drunk driver. "What we she doing out at 2am?"

Less serious crimes, too. Had a tool-box stolen from a garage. Cop told me that I really should keep the garage door closed or keep the valuables inside.
 
One Brow said:
Look up how news commentators respond to any well-publicized rape. One example I already mentioned was the Steubenville case. Would you like more? How many?

Metro-East St. Louis.
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200,000+ sexual assault victims every year in the US, so I'd say 99,999 more examples should suffice to support your "common response" claim.
 
bordelais7 said:
200,000+ sexual assault victims every year in the US, so I'd say 99,999 more examples should suffice to support your "common response" claim.
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Since the majority of sex crimes go unreported and thus cannot be blamed on the victim, I'm 99.9% sure you're up in the night on this one.
 
One Brow said:
The way that comparing Bush/Obama to Hitler elevates the actual complaint about them, by acknowledging the brutality of Hitler?
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Obviously it isn't about making Hilter seem less bad when people compare someone to him. It's a way of calling someone the worst possible human being on planet earth. In no way does it lesson societies low opinion of Hitler.

So in short, Yeah, I think you're starting to get it.
 
"They say Bush is like Hitler, and this whole time I thought Hitler was a bad guy."

said no one ever
 
bordelais7 said:
The same phenomenon exists in murder and accidents.
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I didn't deny that the phenomenon exists regarding murders. I said it was considered rude to direct such comments to the people affected by the tragedy in murders, but not with rape. Almost no one goes up to the grieving spouse and says "he should have worn a helmet". Rape victims and their supporters constantly tell of stories about people saying they should not have been drinking, etc.

Are you saying you think the frequency is equal, or that frequency doesn't indicate cutural attitudes? Are you asking if there are studies on the frequenciy of victim-blaming? Should I do antoher search, and find such studies, does that prove the point, or are there more loaded examples waiting in the wings?
 
bordelais7 said:
200,000+ sexual assault victims every year in the US, so I'd say 99,999 more examples should suffice to support your "common response" claim.
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Thank you for being specific about the level of evidence you need before you admit there is a problem. Given the demand, I have no problem saying it's not worth my time to convince you.
 
Gameface said:
In no way does it lesson societies low opinion of Hitler.

So in short, Yeah, I think you're starting to get it.
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I understood your point, but it's just not how human minds seem to work. When you continually associate the an extreme event with a banal event, it not only has the effect of increasing the emotional reaction for the extreme event, but also reducing the reaction for the extreme event. If I hear people comparing something to Hitler 5 times a week, then comparing things to Hitler loses all value as a phrase, and just hearing "Hitler" doesn't produce the same emotional reaction.

What a behavior is "about", and what its effects are, can be quite different.
 
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