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freakazoid said:
I'll buy that it's possible, although extremely unlikely. If it could happen quickly, it already would have.
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"Spoken out against the system" is a long ways from ready to make the necessary sacrifices. They're speaking out because they know they are not paid fairly, and they're trying to get back some of what they lost last time around. However, at the end of the day, most of the players just want to take their check and get back on the court. As a group, I just don't believe the majority would be in.
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Also, if the players did start their own league, I'm assuming they would want to implement a free market system, considering that's what seems to be the issue with the stars. Such a system would allow for about half or less of the teams we have now to be competitive. That league doesn't rake in nearly the cash the NBA does. I think this is way more complicated than people want to admit.
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Right which ultimately means less guys getting paid. The NBA would live on, stars would decide which league to play in and the stars start up would be squashed like a bug in three years. Funny how some see this scenario as easy.
 
If it were free market you'd almost certainly have major contraction with maybe 12-15 teams and 3-4 "good" teams.

Most of the players in the NBA would be out of a job.

Might actually improve the product, but the smaller market teams would be gone.

The players union doesn't take a leap of faith that at best will put most players out of work.
 
heyhey said:
The players starting their own league is a very real threat to the owners. They could get a similar TV deal. They could lease places to play. They could sell shares in teams like any corporation and retain majority ownership by the players union. It could happen and it could happen quickly.
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heyhey said:
pretty much yeah.

The Nba is especially vulnerable because it is so star driven. If the stars decided they wanted to do it they could. They wouldn't necessarily need a majority of the NBA players to make it work, as long as they had a super majority of the stars.
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The reason I think it wouldn't work....... fans like myself (of which there are alot) would stop watching.
I'm a jazz fan. If my team was broken up, moved, changed logos, etc. Then I would not care about the nba.

Alot of people would do the same.
Without the fans, players lose
 
For ****s and giggles let's say google decides to play the patron

google products
Youtube
Chromecast
Google TV
Android

So let's say the world's leading advertiser offers the players union the same ten year TV deal the owners got.

Their stipulations might be:

-a list of players that must agree
-30 teams in specific markets
-independent management
-a single league wide corporation(the league owns all the teams)
-and since google is taking the risk ownership share in the league/profit sharing

Remember Google isn't the only possible patron FOX was not even given the opportunity to place a bid on the new TV rights. A few more possible patrons off the top of my head: apple, Verizon, Amazon
 
fishonjazz said:
The reason I think it wouldn't work....... fans like myself (of which there are alot) would stop watching.
I'm a jazz fan. If my team was broken up, moved, changed logos, etc. Then I would not care about the nba.

Alot of people would do the same.
Without the fans, players lose
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Yep, 0% chance I give a **** about pro bball if there isn't a team in SLC.
 
heyhey said:
For ****s and giggles let's say google decides to play the patron

google products
Youtube
Chromecast
Google TV
Android

So let's say the world's leading advertiser offers the players union the same ten year TV deal the owners got.

Their stipulations might be:

-a list of players that must agree
-30 teams in specific markets
-independent management
-a single league wide corporation(the league owns all the teams)
-and since google is taking the risk ownership share in the league/profit sharing

Remember Google isn't the only possible patron FOX was not even given the opportunity to place a bid on the new TV rights. A few more possible patrons off the top of my head: apple, Verizon, Amazon
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Is there still going to be a team called the utah jazz, with the jazz note logo, and exum, burks, favors, Hayward, kanter, trey, hood, gobert, and booker on it?

If not, I stop watching. So does alot of other fans in other cities.
 
heyhey said:
No one is Seattle, Vegas, Baltimore, Nashville, St. louis, etc gives a **** if SLC has a team
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Are you saying that all thirty nba cities well be replaced by 30 new cities?

Cause the fans in new York, and LA will have some of the same feelings as the fans in slc.
 
Once the CBA expires, do the players individual team contracts also expire? If not, they could potentially be prevented from playing in another league until their contract ends. With the majority of players on multi-year contracts, this could be a big sticking point for never having a new league start.
 
"I don't know of any space other than the world of sports where there's this notion that we will artificially deflate what someone's able to make, just because," she said, talking about a salary cap -- a collectively bargained policy that, in its current form, has constrained team spending in the NBA since 1984-85. "It's incredibly un-American. My DNA is offended by it."
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Sure, bitch. Let's dissolve the union and get rid of veteran and rookie minimums, and the pension fund while we're at this market-based switch over.
 
heyhey said:
No one is Seattle, Vegas, Baltimore, Nashville, St. louis, etc gives a **** that SLC has a team
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Yes, I get that. I don't care that they don't have a team, either.

But you'll be playing pro bball in LESS cities. You'll have FEWER teams.

If moving to new cities is part of the plan as well you'll also be building new markets while abandoning established ones.

It sounds like it'd be a smaller pie, the elite players will take a bigger portion of it, half of current pro players would get none of it, and the half that made the cut will probably get less than they're getting now.

Yep, let's put it to a vote of the player's association. DOWN WITH THE NBA!
 
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