Paul/Al: Who should we re-sign, how much should our offer be, and what will the other get in FA?

[GVC]

Not sure how playing 30-36 minutes is "riding the bench". Also, if you can get Millsap (or Jefferson, I suppose...ick) at a reasonable $ amount but choose not to, and Favors and/or Kanter don't work out, then what? You can always trade players. You seem to always be riding the "let's throw away our assets" train. Doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[The Midnight]

Millsap's only averaging 15 and 7 this year. Is he really going to $10.5mm per season? I'd love to sign Millsap to a 5 year deal, as frontloaded as possible, with a full 15% signing bonus. The extra year should make it possible to get him at a lower number per season. The frontloading and signing bonus make him much more tradeable in the future.

5-year, $50.15mm contract would look like this:

Cap Hit (with max 7.5% decreases)

13/14: $11.8mm
14/15: $10.915mm
15/16: $10.03mm
16/17: $9.145mm
17/18: $8.26mm


Actual Salary Paid ($7.5225mm signing bonus)

13/14: $17.5525mm
14/15: $9.27775mm
15/16: $8.5255mm
16/17: $7.77325mm
17/18: $7.021mm

I think this is key. We want flexibility going forward in case Favors & Kanter BOTH become good enough to start along side each other in a couple of years. This is the only reason I think the management will consider Millsap over Al.

 

[GVC]

This is the only reason I think the management will consider Millsap over Al.

I would think Sap being both a better complementary and bigger impact player are reasons the Jazz might consider him over Al as well.

 

[Hotdog]

Not sure how playing 30-36 minutes is "riding the bench". Also, if you can get Millsap (or Jefferson, I suppose...ick) at a reasonable $ amount but choose not to, and then Favors and/or Kanter don't work out, then what? You can always trade players. You seem to always be riding the "let's throw away our assets" train. Doesn't make any sense to me.

The third big doesn't play 30-36 min a game. It always ends up being around 27, and players want the recognition of being a starter. Hasnt Millsap wanting to be a starter been discussed a million times?

I've never been on the throwing away assets train. In fact the complete opposite. Having a Kanter play off the bench is damn near throwing away an asset. Letting Millsap and Jefferson walk for nothing is throwing away assets. Thats why I advocate trading them. I'd be all for taking some distant future picks from anybody for them. We should have done that last year and just taken back some terrible salary with it as long as it came off the books before we needed to extend our core four, and got on with working those off the books. Instead we will have to taken on some unneeded salary that will most certainly impead on the re-signing of our guys. What if all four of our core turn out to be really good and demand high salaries, and then we have Millsap or Jefferson on the books getting in the way of retaining all of them? Where is the concern for that?

This whole cap room and and flexibilty stuff is overrated for a team like Utah. We arent bringing in big time FA's here. We have to build through the draft and trades. Not to mention we aren't even setting up the best time for this flexibilty to be available. We should be wanting it when its a nice FA class and our core is more ready to win. Thats not this summer. This cap room will have to be used. We can't sit on it like an asset. Its just a very short window.

 

[The Midnight]

I would think Sap being both a better complementary and bigger impact player are reasons the Jazz might consider him over Al as well.

I think Big Al has come up BIG for us a couple of times this season already.

My only concern is whose game would age better? Big Al or Millsap? Millsap seems to rely more on his athleticism to get around and score. He also seemed to have declined slightly this year. We don't want a repeat of what Gerald Wallace is going through at the moment.

 

[NAOS]

Millsap's only averaging 15 and 7 this year. Is he really going to $10.5mm per season? I'd love to sign Millsap to a 5 year deal, as frontloaded as possible, with a full 15% signing bonus. The extra year should make it possible to get him at a lower number per season. The frontloading and signing bonus make him much more tradeable in the future.

5-year, $50.15mm contract would look like this:

Cap Hit (with max 7.5% decreases)

13/14: $11.8mm
14/15: $10.915mm
15/16: $10.03mm
16/17: $9.145mm
17/18: $8.26mm


Actual Salary Paid ($7.5225mm signing bonus)

13/14: $17.5525mm
14/15: $9.27775mm
15/16: $8.5255mm
16/17: $7.77325mm
17/18: $7.021mm

This is my dream scenario.

Yeah. Millsap is best running the court and playing off the ball in the halfcourt. You put him on a team with perimeter players who can push the tempo and break defenses down off the bounce, and he becomes a pretty dangerous player. Millsap would be a huge signing for Houston.

This also sounds a lot like what I expect our blueprint to look like going forward.

I'd add to this one point:
In half-court sets Millsap has a deadly mid-range game from basically anywhere on the court. We don't have anybody who can produce like this. You've got to distribute the offense, and Millsap is a great addition to a comprehensive scheme.

 

[GVC]

Having a Kanter play off the bench is damn near throwing away an asset.

No it's not. As stated, he can easily get 30+ minutes per game off the bench, especially since Millsap has shown an ability to play the 3 (and lineups featuring Kanter, Favors AND Millsap are +6 in 36 minutes this season). Beyond that, Millsap complements both Favors and Kanter well, allowing them to grow into their skills/roles on offensive more smoothly.

What if we all four of our core turn out to be really good and demand high salaries, and then we have Millsap or Jefferson on the books getting in the way of retaining all of them? Where is the concern for that?

It's a much safer bet that you'll be able to move a reasonably priced contract on a productive player than that all 4 will command big money in the next 2 years.

Not to mention we aren't even setting up the best time for this flexibilty to be available. We should be wanting it when its a nice FA class and our core is more ready to win. Thats not this summer. This cap room will have to be used. We can't sit on it like an asset. Its just a very short window.

The Jazz absolutely can sit on the cap space. If they can sign players who they can move down the road for players who better complement their potential championship core, they should.

 

[Weezur]

I want to get rid of both of them just so these threads go away.

 

[GVC]

I want to get rid of both of them just so these threads go away.

Not sure how your worthless posts would be any better in different threads.

 

[GVC]

I updated the year-by-year cap hit of that contract (raises/decreases are based on base salary for cap hit and salary if I'm reading Coon correctly).

 

[Scorpjazz]

Both should be gone, simply because they both cost too much and believe they are worth it. If Sap would take maybe 9, at most 10 mil per year and deal with coming off the bench, keep him...Al is far better than Sap( que the dillusional Sap sippers ), but costs way too much. If Sap gets what he thinks hes worth, he also costs too much.
Lose them both, we move on, youth movement time.