PearlWatson
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That may be so but he has kissed all their butts.
Paul Calls Out Santorum
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That may be so but he has kissed all their butts.
Doesn't everyone know who Ron Paul is at this point? I feel like his name recognition would be pretty high. I think this is a talking point from 2004.
PearlWatson
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That might matter if he was running for Senate, but seeing as the president sets the direction of the party, it doesn't.
Also he is more popular for standing up against the liberal social agenda so that would take precedence over anything else when it comes to voting for him.
I think it absolutely matters for running for the republincan nomination. The public, particularly the right, has grown very distrustful of the group on Capitol Hill. Showing (or having it shown) that you pay to play so to speak is very harmful to winning the Republican primary.
As for Santorum standing up to the media, well anything he has done on that front is greatly over shadowed by Gingrich who, in my opinion, has cornered that part of the vote.
PearlWatson
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Romney already has the label of being the Establishment candidate...the one those on Capitol Hill want.
I didn't say anything about standing up to the media. I said "standing up against the liberal social agenda," meaning he is the only social conservative and the only one really participating in the culture war that is heating up with homosexual marriage and religious conscience.
Ont he first point it still hurts Santorum in my view as he is just as establishment as Romney. Pointing that out like it was before the Michigan vote is going to kill him. Perception.
As for the social agenda/media thing. I misread so ignore my statement.
I think you are overestimating the intelligence and awareness of the average voting American citizen. Thinks the people above 50 whose main source of political information is solely from the major news channels.
Hayward Supremacist
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Ron Paul is the only candidate worth a damn. He won't save America, that's for sure. But he'll sure as hell slow down the process of it completely going to ****. Any of the other four will just expedite the process. It's too bad most of the so called conservatives eat up what the talking heads say. The two party political system is pure ********. Why do people who have been around for decades rally around a jew controlled candidate then complain that they are all the same after they get elected? The TV and radio brainwash people beyond belief.
Now, I can definitely think of a few candidates better than Ron Paul, but he's head and shoulders above the rest.
Now, I can definitely think of a few candidates better than Ron Paul, but he's head and shoulders above the rest.
The Thriller
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I think Paul's name is recognized. A lil fact that Paulites might not want to admit is that his (extremist) views aren't attractive to most Americans. Most Americans don't want their entitlements taken away, their government just shredded, public education messed with (as much as Paul wants to), don't agree with his health care views, and America to fall back so much militarily.
andenjoytheride
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Santorum For President.......Hahaha I know I couldn't keep a straight face ether.
Pretty much. Americans are desperate for change, unless it means actually changing something.
They want the change but not the work and hardship/sacrafice that comes with it. Lazy SOBs.
Twin Towers
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Ron Paul doesn't want to swiftly go back to the Gold standard. He said he wants competing currencies. Allow for a transition. If it doesn't work the market will dictate how that goes rather than somebody at the top who thinks he knows what is best.
Also he is 2nd in the estimated delegate count. Right behind Romney. The National media is finally understanding the delegate process. They are late on knowing this though. Also if it is a brokered convention (meaning nobody gets over 50%) than all of the winner take all states go to the delegate process. Which all Ron Paul fans are expecting that and are making sure they get the delegates in Florida and even in Utah even though Romney will get winner take all but once its a brokered convention that all changes. Paul has a very good chance. Has almost double to delegates of Santorum or Gingrich.
If people study how markets works they will understand what policies to have (The results of intentions that created a trend). Rather than just expecting intentions to fix everything from a top down approach. Which got us here in the first place. Whether its Liberals forcing us to pay for wellfare. Or Pretend conservatives forcing us to pay for War or making us do what they think is moral is society.
Economic laws don't change just because we had the Gold standard a long time ago. Laws stay the same. The point is to leave the things up to the markets so we adapt quickly rather than having government make a decision for everyone and the mistake doesn't get corrected. It just sucks us dry financially & we lose our freedoms.
Twin Towers
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Extreme....... Lets examine that word for a minute.
If a father tells his daughter to not do drugs. And she goes out and she decides i'm totally against using drugs. Or she could say I am totally for drugs. Isn't she extreme in both cases?
I think we need to rethink our vocabulary as a nation and stop feeding into what the media is spreading. There is nothing wrong with being extreme. The question should be is that decision correct or not? Is it moral or not. Whatever it may be. There is nothing wrong with holding to principles. You are extreme if your holding to principles. If your not holding to principles than your not extreme.
"If you only apply principles when they are convenient, you don't actually have principles."
Also Paul doesn't want to get rid of public education. He just wants the states to decide (10th amendment) what to teach. And to fund its owns programs (not borrowing or printing money). If something starts working better in certain states than the other states adjust. Competition is created along with awareness.
And the country is being educated but it probably will be too late. The Wars along with the benefits will bankrupt this country. Soviet Union didn't go under because countries attacked it. They went under for financially reasons. And everyone holding onto there benefits & military spending will lose it all anyways once the country collapses. Than we all lose.
Luckily when this country was founded only 1/3 of the people wanted the Constitution and what the founders set up. The other 1/3 didn't like it. And the other 1/3 didn't care. Doesn't take a majority to make something special happen in this world. It takes passionate people who are willing to take action.
Fixed.
PearlWatson
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That is false according to CNN
Mitt 127
Newt 38
Rick 37
Ron 27
https://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries.html