Penn State Pedophile Controversy

[Stifle Tower]

Big time college sports programs are like the mafia - instead of the FBI after them it's the NCAA. It's a closed community and ratting out someone is an automatic death sentence. This idiot couldn't see the forest through the trees because he lives in that world. He probably had dreams of moving up the ladder and some day being an OC, DC or even a head coach. And if the higher ups weren't going to blow the whistle on this creep why should he? Sick, I know.

Good point. McQuery probably thought Paterno could (and would) take care of it and he could be left out of it - and he would be in the clear as to his job situation. Not saying that's right. I had forgotten about the Baylor incident and Bliss cover-up. In the case of that assistant, the old adage about "no good deed goes unpunished" certainly held true.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned it here yet but what is most frightening in many ways in my opinion, which is not being talked about nearly enough, is the sudden disappearance of the DA who had been investigating the case, Ray Gricar. The police are saying there was no link. Right.

 

[Chris-L]

Heard this interview with Sandusky on the radio at work today. Listen to his answers to the question at 7:10 . This sick **** will rot in hell.

 

[kwb]

Heard this interview with Sandusky on the radio at work today. Listen to his answers to the question at 7:10 . This sick **** will rot in hell.

It's not considered horse play anymore once your balls come out.

 

[trigg3r]

I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned it here yet but what is most frightening in many ways in my opinion, which is not being talked about nearly enough, is the sudden disappearance of the DA who had been investigating the case, Ray Gricar. The police are saying there was no link. Right.

I am not sure if you watch Investigation Discovery or not. They have a show called Disappeared that detailed his case along with a lot of others. I think it is very unlikely the cases are connected. Gricar was said to have mood swings throughout his life. In the final days prior to his disappearance, he was in one of his darker moods and sleeping a lot during the day. He was also planning to retire not too long before his disappearance. As you might know, they found his laptop HD in the river next to the parking lot where his car was found. He asked people prior to his disappearance how to erase a HD completely. The river by where his car was parked was the river his brother supposedly committed suicide in years earlier. My best guess is that he killed himself there. They have theories of why the body was never found.

 

[LogGrad98]

It's not considered horse play anymore once your balls come out.

Now it's beastiality too?!? What a sick mother****er.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I'm sure all GAs at every single major college football school are instructed in not so friendly terms that any discretion they see within the program's reach should be reported up the line of command and not immediately to the police.

And if there's negative reaction to this mindset, the response is, "you don't get it," and one's loyalty and commitment come into question, an integral part to whether one keeps jobs in college football.

 

[Scat]

It's not considered horse play anymore once your balls come out.

Even if it is an accident and very brief?

 

[moevillini]

I'm sure all GAs at every single major college football school are instructed in not so friendly terms that any discretion they see within the program's reach should be reported up the line of command and not immediately to the police.

And if there's negative reaction to this mindset, the response is, "you don't get it," and one's loyalty and commitment come into question, an integral part to whether one keeps jobs in college football.

fyi Darkwing - don't you mean any "indiscretion" they see?

anyhow, truthfully, it's probably the same mantra for most administrators in any setting, but particularly in a school setting. Schools are very hierarchical - more so than many companies. At most schools, one of the biggest violations of all seems to be bypassing the "chain of command" - - and the public relations person would certainly be contacted before the police unless it was an immediate crisis.


there was an interesting article yesterday that explains how Pennsylvania law differs from most other localities


https://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204190504577036513196362348.html

...In Pennsylvania, a teacher is required to report suspected child abuse to an administrator who in turn is required to notify the police and the district attorney. No school officials are required to call the state's child abuse hot line.

By contrast, in most cases, non-school child-care professionals such as doctors or day care workers are required to report suspected cases of abuse by a parent to the state hot line. If doctors and others suspect abuse by a teacher they are required to call the police.

"The sticking point in Pennsylvania is where does that first call go," said Ms. Palm, of the Protect Our Children Committee.

Last year, roughly 120,000 calls were made to the state hot line for child abuse calls administered by the state Department of Public Welfare. About 24,000 cases were investigated, three-quarters of which came from mandatory reporters, and 3,600 cases were substantiated as abuse.

In 2009, the rate of investigations in Pennsylvania, 8.3 per 1,000 children is lower than the national average of 40.3 per 1,000, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The rate of rate of substantiated cases of child abuse was also lower: 1.4 per 1,000 in Pennsylvania compared with 9.3 per 1,000 nationally.

Ms. Palm attributed the lower rates in Pennsylvania to how the state defines abuse and handles cases. For instance, even a child who is injured is not considered abused if a perpetrator can't be identified, she said.

 

[freakazoid]

I'm sure all GAs at every single major college football school are instructed in not so friendly terms that any discretion they see within the program's reach should be reported up the line of command and not immediately to the police.

I'd like to believe any rational adult would be able to discern between an indiscretion and a heinous crime.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I'd like to believe any rational adult would be able to discern between an indiscretion and a heinous crime.

It's more complicated than that. I've recently read an admission from a soldier who was trained to react a certain way once a fire fight began. The first time he encountered enemy fire, he did not act the way he was supposed to. Shock does quite a number on decision making.

I'll use an analogy. Say you come across someone who just as you see him, shoots another person. I'm sure the immediate thought would be one of two things, get the hell out of there, or stop the gunman. I highly doubt the first thought would be of the victim, and stopping the gunman is probably not the reaction most would have.

The difference in this case is that there's no immediate threat to the witness, but the shock remains the same. While not holding a gun, Sandusky had an aura of power within the Penn State football family, so confronting the man was the less likely of the two actions McQueary had.

Once the shock wore off is when the wheels start turning. Think of it this way, by the time McQueary came to his senses, Sandusky and the kid were likely long gone. Had McQueary called the police and reported the incident, he would have had no way of proving Sandusky assaulted the kid, as McQueary didn't recognize the boy and Sandusky sure wouldn't have offered his name. I'm willing to bet that McQueary thought people in and out of Penn State would just see the accusation as some GA trying to make a name for himself by targeting a revered figure of Penn State, so he called his father for advice, and was advised to go up the chain of command and report the incident to the head coach, which he did.

I just don't think the original witness has nearly as much culpability as those with power and influence who swept the whole thing under the rug and hoped it would never see the light of day again.

 

[DutchJazzer]

South Park did a lot of lame pen state jokes