Penn State?

[gregbroncs]

So we once had a thread about this. But I'm too lazy to go looking for it.

With all of the information coming out has anybody changed their position on the way the school should be treated and or the legacy Joe Paterno now has?

When this 1st came out I said that this would only get worse for JoePa. Now it looks like if he were still alive he should be in prison. I also hope they go after and imprison the President and athletic director.

I bring this up again because I just found this article indicating that Penn State may get the death penalty from the NCAA.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaa...enn-state-scandal-video-143934430--ncaaf.html

I would be all for them having their football program cancelled for good. The death penalty as described in the article seems to be a minimum punishment to me.

So as I asked at the beginning has anybody changed their minds with the new information? And what are people's current feeling with regards to this **** that went on at Penn State?

Also if I had anything to do with Penn state the university I would tear down JoePa's statue and remove his name from any and all record books. I would not want my school to be associated any more than absolutely necessary with him or his program.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I was always where you are. We're talking about penalizing a sports teamfor an entire administration ignoring pedophilia.

How anyone can feel bad for a football program when this stuff was knowingly going on is absurd.

 

[gregbroncs]

I was always where you are. We're talking about penalizing a sports teamfor an entire administration ignoring pedophilia.

How anyone can feel bad for a football program when this stuff was knowingly going on is absurd.

There were people defending Joe Pa in the old thread. I was just curious if there is anybody left to defend him.

I would not be opposed to the school losing all federal funding after this. I don't believe there is a punishment too harsh for what Penn state did. That includes shuting down the school forever.

 

[nightmare3983]

I don't know that past precedent makes particularly good sense in this case, because it's really an unprecedented problem

I thought this quote by the NCAA president was very interesting. I would be fine with something similar to the death penalty being handed down, such as suspending the program for a couple of years so everyone can step back and have plenty of time to work on changing the culture at the University as a whole and especially in athletics so that nothing like this will ever happen again there.

 

[nightmare3983]

There were people defending Joe Pa in the old thread. I was just curious if there is anybody left to defend him.

I would not be opposed to the school losing all federal funding after this. I don't believe there is a punishment too harsh for what Penn state did. That includes shuting down the school forever.

The difficult thing is that for as many people knew what was going on (and their powerful positions) there are tens of thousands of students and thousands of academic staff that shouldn't be punished for the actions or inactions of a relative few. I'm in favor of filing criminal charges against anyone and everyone who covered for Sandusky, and having sanctions against the football program, but shutting down the entire university for good doesn't feel like the right solution to me.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Or ... Every person that knew anything, at all, about this goes to jail for 20 years and leave the sports team alone. After all, why penalize the athletes for the administrations sins.

 

[green]

Normally, I would be 100% dead set against NCAA athletic punishment for a criminal activity. Let the law do their thing, let the NCAA do their thing. That being said, after seeing how many Penn St people still defend the program and Joe Paterno, there is HUGE problem there. The football program going away for a couple of years, getting rid of those wacko's, then starting over, might be the best way to go about fixing this.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I'm so done with this topic.

 

[Archie Moses]

If they don't get the death penalty the NCAA is basically saying that gambling >>>>>> child rape and in house cover up from lead football officials.

SMU is ****ing pissed.

 

[Hartsock]

I don't see what the death penalty does other than punish those that had nothing to do with the crimes. the people who lies, molested, covered up, etc .... they are going to jail. The law is coming after them. The death penalty messes up the city, the lives of all 100+ football players, all 30,000 students, everyone who had nothing to do with this. I say let the law take care of the pieces of **** involved and let everyone else try and move past it.

 

[gregbroncs]

Or ... Every person that knew anything, at all, about this goes to jail for 20 years and leave the sports team alone. After all, why penalize the athletes for the administrations sins.

The athletes would be free to join other teams and pursue their career's and or schooling. But as green said there are still people out there defending the school and Joe Pa. This to me screams that this is a bigger issue than just punishing the people directly involved. Like I said the Death penalty is the minimum I would expect as punishment to Penn State.

 

[Hartsock]

The athletes would be free to join other teams and pursue their career's and or schooling. But as green said there are still people out there defending the school and Joe Pa. This to me screams that this is a bigger issue than just punishing the people directly involved. Like I said the Death penalty is the minimum I would expect as punishment to Penn State.

The athletes would be set back quite a ways if they had to transfer to a different program.

 

[gregbroncs]

The athletes would be set back quite a ways if they had to transfer to a different program.

I sort of feel for them. However why should the school itself be allowed to profit and make money on football after they allowed this to continue and actively covered it up to protect the football program and reputation of the school?

 

[HipHopAnonymous]

I think they should clean house on anyone who had anything to do with this at Penn St and pursue criminal charges against them and end their careers with college sports/education.

HOWEVER

To punish the athletes, coaches and fans who had ZERO connection to what happened decades ago is a bit unfair. I feel the same way about coaches who bolt for the NFL (Pete Carroll) or another school once the **** hits the fan. Punish the person who did the wrong not the group at large.

 

[nightmare3983]

I sort of feel for them. However why should the school itself be allowed to profit and make money on football after they allowed this to continue and actively covered it up to protect the football program and reputation of the school?

I think they should clean house on anyone who had anything to do with this at Penn St and pursue criminal charges against them and end their careers with college sports/education.

HOWEVER

To punish the athletes, coaches and fans who had ZERO connection to what happened decades ago is a bit unfair. I feel the same way about coaches who bolt for the NFL (Pete Carroll) or another school once the **** hits the fan. Punish the person who did the wrong not the group at large.

To me, seeing conflicting opinions like this (both of which I can't disagree with) illustrate the difficulty the NCAA is facing in deciding what action to take.

 

[HipHopAnonymous]

To me, seeing conflicting opinions like this (both of which I can't disagree with) illustrate the difficulty the NCAA is facing in deciding what action to take.

it's not really conflicting. I agree they should punish the hell out those who lied, covered up or had anything to do with it. But why kill the people who had nothing to do with anything?

 

[green]

it's not really conflicting. I agree they should punish the hell out those who lied, covered up or had anything to do with it. But why kill the people who had nothing to do with anything?

I'll say this again. I agree 100% with you. BUT, when the people who had nothing to do with it continue to defend it, then I have a problem.

The athletes would be fine. If they are at Penn St, then they can get into most football programs. Heck, the NCAA can even say that they will give the kids the ability to go to any school they want, and their scholly won't count against the new team the first year, so they literally could go wherever they wanted.

 

[nightmare3983]

it's not really conflicting. I agree they should punish the hell out those who lied, covered up or had anything to do with it. But why kill the people who had nothing to do with anything?

The football program, and by association, the school benefitted while the abuse was kept hidden. To me, it makes sense that the school and football program should see some type of penalty as well. But how is it possible to impose such a penalty without hurting innocent people? I bet there will be some spirited debating among the NCAA higher-ups about what to do here, if there haven't been already.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Or ... Every person that knew anything, at all, about this goes to jail for 20 years and leave the sports team alone. After all, why penalize the athletes for the administrations sins.

I agree. There are thousands of students and a lot of good professors and employees who had absolutely nothing to do with this and are probably equally, if not more appalled than we are. This should be treated as a criminal case and everyone who knew about and ignored or covered up the abuse should be dealt with according to the law - and certainly banished from any future association with Penn State. Now, I'm not sure if the educational system has licensing similar to medical or legal professions. But those convicted should have whatever credentials can be revoked, revoked. Perhaps part of any future probation would be a requirement to find employment outside the education system.

As heinous as these crimes, it was one man, assisted in hiding his crimes by a select few. I do not believe in penalizing current students, athletes and honest men and women who work at Penn State for the crimes that were committed in the past by someone else.

 

[gregbroncs]

it's not really conflicting. I agree they should punish the hell out those who lied, covered up or had anything to do with it. But why kill the people who had nothing to do with anything?

But by association that includes the football program and school themselves. This was allowed to happen because of the priority placed on the football program and school. Shouldn't those entities also be punished? A few innocent athletes that have other options is a minor concern for me. The NCAA could force Penn state to honor the scholorships of any player that did not find another team.

As somebody else mentioned when somebody is punished there are always innocent people punished as well. The family and friends of whomever is punished are also punished to a degree if the crime is bad enough. In this case the athletes and others at the school represent the family of this institution. And I'm sorry that they may have some hardship because of this. But in the end the school and the football program need to be punished. Severely.