LogGrad98
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Yeah, but remember, Rudy is the problem!
Pick a Side: Rudy or Don
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Wait did you really not get it this bad? My bad.
The vote tallies are objectively overwhelmingly in favor of Gobert at the moment. I tried to draw an analogy between that contest and how the Jazz have been blowing contests where they had huge leads. I’m not saying it was funny.
Or did you totally get it and you’re just barking?
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I can't explain the vote. It's beyond explanation for me. Maybe it's because I don't live in the area and Rudy is some Mother Theresa in the Salt Lake Community. Or maybe it's because we have a bunch of moron fans who create or follow drama more than watch playoff games.
These are truths regardless of how you voted:
- Rudy is an amazing player, but he isn't going to lead us anywhere.
- Title contenders aren't built around incredible rim protectors who are offensively limited centers who can be schemed out of the game even on the defensive end too.
- Rudy is just as much to blame for the drama within the team as anybody else. Time and time again he has gone and whined to the media about his teammates, his touches, etc.
You guys just want somebody to blame and you're afraid to admit it's everybody including Rudy Gobert.
Please describe how you would "scheme" Rudy out of a game defensively, where he would be replaced by some other player on our team (or in the entire league) with better defensive results.
LoPo
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Title contending teams have the ability to switch on everything. We really can't do that with Rudy and our current personnel. We also need the ability to "go small" some towards the end of games. We insist on playing Rudy even when teams go really small, and we have to, because we lack good defenders.
Our FO did not do a good job getting us enough defenders. We have been saying that for quite some time.
We could win a title with Rudy, but we would need 3-4 really good perimeter defenders. We need a couple guys who are "lock down" defenders regardless. Those guys are more valuable come playoff time than a rim protector.
JazzJunkie
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At one point this season I was laughing at the Lakers collapse and then the bottom fell out from under our own season. Now it's not so funny as that team in LA can rebound much quicker then ours typically does.
Picking Don by the way. Only reasons are players seem to not like Rudy, so he's hard to build around if that's the case and Don has more value when we need to trade him.
Picking Don by the way. Only reasons are players seem to not like Rudy, so he's hard to build around if that's the case and Don has more value when we need to trade him.
Gobert can't switch, or the other personnel can't switch? How does taking Gobert out of the game improve on this for us?
So, the problem is not that they are scheming Gobert out of the game, but that regardless of whether Gobert is in the game, the other players are not sufficient.
To me, that sounds a lot like scheming Mitchell/Bogdanovic/Conley out of the game.
Which would also be true without Rudy.
Unless you have 5 lockdown defenders, you can always switch off a good offensive player to a bad defender.
From what I have seen, these switching teams also don't have a defense where people just stay on their man. They bring in a second person to stop the drive and try to block the passing lanes. That create opportunities for taller players to dive for a lob or get an offensive rebound.
So far, nothing you have said would allow a team to scheme Gobert out of the game; instead you highlighted how he needs to be in the game even more against small-ball.
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I don't think Rudy is that hard to build around, we just did a piss-poor job of it. We could have gone after a player like Brogdon, or even CP3 given the timing, instead of Conley, for one. We could have gone after a player like Grant instead of Gay, for another. We could have drafted any one of a number of solid perimeter defenders and 3&D guys instead of Doke. I mean there are a hundred things this FO could have done differently that they just didn't do. Add a single better perimeter defender to this starting 5 in place of Conley, or even Royce, or hell even Bojan, and we are likely much further ahead. But to say you cannot build around a good rim protector flies in the face of what Phoenix did. Ayton is a solid rim protector and rebounder, and limited offensively. But look at the team they have built. Granted Ayton doesn't take up the money Gobert does, but he also doesn't have the sheer defensive, and offensive for that matter, gravity about him, but they still were able to put better pieces around him and so they are the tops in the league right now. Not to mention the internal growth of their key players in playing better D, such as Booker. We could have been Phoenix. That is the part that is so galling.
I haven't voted, because I don't agree with any of the options. Both Gobert and Mitchell need to put their stuff aside. Each should be trying to be the better person here, and I haven't seen any indication that either has made a sustained effort to do so. This is why youth is wasted on the young.
Sounds like your are sick of both, which is an option.
You say truths but you listed a bunch of opinions.