Planned Parenthood Selling Baby Organs

[Beantown]

it's not the same. Dying cells or gametes on a day-to-day basis are not independent life forms-- they're extensions of a being that still exists after their demise.

Killing a zygote is the robbing of a unique life in this world. Nothing can be done to bring that life back-- that life ceases the moment it dies. Unfortunately, that's the way it is. Any barometer of 'life' placed on the zygote is essentially arbitrary-- if we're looking at what constitutes a living individual of a species in a scientific, biological manner, there really isn't a difference between a fertilized morula and a full-grown adult. Still the same genetic composition-- still an equal amount of being uniquely alive.


Anyone who overlooks this is simply overlooking the ethical precedent set with the arbitrary decision on what we constitute 'life' to be. After thinking about it a ton, it really does strike me as disingenuous to think that a zygote somewhere ascertains more 'life' as it continues to differentiate & specialize. That's why I'm personally anti-abortions.


But, I vote for pro-choice legislature. Access to abortions has reduced both rates and complications surrounding attempted abortions. I'm fine with my tx dollars going towards people getting abortions-- I just know that I won't do them myself, and I hope my children won't do them either.

Also we are talking about a fetus as well.

 

[Beantown]

I was referring to eating meat.

You know your debate tactics are failing if your only comeback is "you didn't specify human life over animals"

 

[Beantown]

That's not really a problem anymore except in some developing nations. Largely due to abortion, contraceptives, opportunities for women, and people making the decision to have smaller families.

The Total Fertility Rate is the number of children birthed per woman. To replace a population in the industrialized world that rate needs to be 2.1. One child to replace each parent and .1 children because not all women will be fertile or survive into maturity. Any less than 2.1 and a population will decrease over time as older people die. Any more than 2.1 it will increase.

The US TFR is 1.7. In fact it has been below replacement rate for decades. The population growth in the United States is due to 2 main factors.

1) Population momentum caused by the Baby Boom/advances in healthcare. This factor will eventually take care of itself due to aging.
2) Immigration. This is the main cause for population growth in the US over the last ~20 years. The majority of immigrants were coming from Latin America and specifically Mexico. In 1980 Mexico had a TFR of 4.7 fueling mass immigration into the US. Mexico's TFR has since dropped to 2.2.

In fact the global TFR has dropped to 2.5 and the global replacement rate is 2.33 due to low life expectancy in developing countries. The trend is towards decreased fertility and once it drops it hasn't came back up anywhere where it has dropped. The continuing population growth over the next few decades will be almost entirely 'population momentum' and if the trend continues we are likely to have population contraction in the 2nd half of the 21st century.

Although population is something we should be mindful of as we approach huge numbers there is good reason to be optimistic. I don't think our children will starve due to overpopulation. Things are lookin up as TFR is trending down.

When I refer to overpopulation I am referring to a world view, not just America. Many people adopt outside of the country.

 

[fishonjazz]

Although population is something we should be mindful of as we approach huge numbers there is good reason to be optimistic. I don't think our children will starve due to overpopulation. Things are lookin up as TFR is trending down.

Who cares about starving?
I'm sick of houses being developed in areas where I used to go fishing/hiking etc to get away from people.
I'm sick of there being people at every hike on the river and all along the shoreline of the lake and every parking area taken.

(I kid about the not caring about starving people btw)

 

[fishonjazz]

This. Outside of Africa and the Middle East rates are down in the vast majority of the rest of the world.

Some of the countries below the 2.1 threshold (as of 2012) are Turkey, France, US, Iran, UK, AUstralia, Brazil, China, Canada, Russia, Spain, Italy, Germany and Japan.

Some countries above it are:

Niger (#1 in the world at 7.58)
Israel (2.91)
Ethiopia (4.59)
Yemen (4.15)
Uganda (5.91)
Iraq (4.06)
India (most notably exception as they have a pop over 1 billion already, they have a 2.50)

Everywhere I look new houses ate going up constantly

 

[fishonjazz]

I think a young life has more value than a 90 year old.

And I think a life outside of a sperm, egg, or uterus has more value than one inside a sperm, egg, or uterus.

 

[Beantown]

I think a young life has more value than a 90 year old.

And I think a life outside of a sperm, egg, or uterus has more value than one inside a sperm, egg, or uterus.

Or just don't be a dick and say that all human life has value and is equal.

 

[DutchJazzer]

.....
With that said, if we defund PP, we need to set up another program to do what they do,.....

doesnt obamacare do that. if not it is as impotent as obama.
really why the **** isnt obama care doing all that?

 

[DutchJazzer]

Kinda like chickens, cows, trees, spiders, ants, etc
Life forms ya'll

how about plants those are living beings also

 

[DutchJazzer]

Have you watched the videos? or are you just watching the edited clips released?blah blah blah blah

ur wrong bro

 

[BabyPeterzz]

You know your debate tactics are failing if your only comeback is "you didn't specify human life over animals"

Just calling out your hyperbole.

 

[fishonjazz]

Or just don't be a dick and say that all human life has value and is equal.

But I don't think it is all equal.

I value my moms life way more than ted bundy or adolf Hitler