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I get the argument you make. I am not here for a semantics battle. Who cares what you call it. It is not OK.

Most people are a minority in some phase of their lives. If you move to Colombia (as I did as a kid) and you are white, are you not the minority? If you are affiliated with a religion or creed or if you are homosexual... then are you not a minority in some circles and the majority in others? When I went to a mosque in Saudi Arabia around people I didn't know who didn't speak my language and people got mad and yelled 'Ameriqui!' at me... I felt like a minority. My gay friends go to a gay club in New York and they don't feel like the minority in the room, but others who are straight may. If you are a liberal at a Trump rally then you may temporarily feel like a minority in that crowd. In those situations, it is easy to belittle or overpower someone and it is easy to cross a line. In the NBA, white players are a situational form of minority. No doubt that is different than for our entire country as a whole and that our history cannot be ignored and the ongoing climate cannot be ignored.

Still, the minute that someone tries to subject another person through use of racially motivated comments, they are out of bounds. Call it what you will, I would call it an attempt to flex power over someone through the use of a racially motivated slur. Substitute the skin color and see how uncomfortable you are. It would have been an outrage and hence... it is not OK. If I am looking to create change, then I would take the high road. I would never encourage, defend, or support this behavior especially when I am telling others that they need to stop doing the same thing. That sentiment does not gain you much ground.

Harrel crossed a line. Don't cross it. Call it what you will... it doesn't help create change.
I live in China and understand what you're trying to say, but it's not the same. Stop trying to act like you are in the same boat. Those are very different scenarios. There is no such thing as reverse racism. What you are saying is a big part of the problem. You are diminishing others plights by trying to create an equivalence.
 
He overpowered multiple police and survived two taser shots. He then reached for an object in his car. Fish you know damn well that's a stupid thing to do. I will say I'm all for better training and less lethal answers but this dude brought it upon himself.

Chauvin is a murderous pig but there's more to the story about Floyd. He was completely hopped up, had covid, and a bad heart. He as well was resisting and 3-4 cops couldn't get him into the car. Does that mean he should have died? No. He was murdered and hopefully Chauvin pays even though legally I think first degree murder will be tough to prove.

Once again I'm all for extensive training so maybe these things don't escalate. That will be kind of hard to do while being defunded
I do agree it's a stupid thing to do. Doesn't require superhuman strength though. Tasers often fail and cops are often out of shape, or old, or weak.

Floyd having covid, a bad heard, and fetanyl in his system certainly doesn't seem like the recipe for super human strength.

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I do agree it's a stupid thing to do. Doesn't require superhuman strength though. Tasers often fail and cops are often out of shape, or old, or weak.

Floyd having covid, a bad heard, and fetanyl in his system certainly doesn't seem like the recipe for super human strength.

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I understand the confusion but I meant the meth in his system did that. He had both. If you watch the body can you can clearly see he was doped out of his mind when police were trying to force him into the car and he was overpowering them being completely incoherent. That's not opioids.
 
This should remain in the Jazz forum.

@Jason

This is a thread that will wonder, but this is a subject that Jazz players are promoting ahead of their own play.

This story and subject are absolutely relevant to the NBA right now.
Agree that it's relevant in today's environment, 100%. Don't want it to lose momentum as many are civil in the debate (some aren't). Stickied on GD for now and left a redirect in the Utah Jazz forum. If appropriate, can discuss moving it back but I think it will continue to get visibility here as well.

Thank you all for the discussion. I'm learning a lot.
 
I love you Nate505. I do. I also appreciate some of your recent decisions. I think your moderating has made Jazzfanz better. I just think you're wrong on this one. It might be a 49/51 type thing, but I think you got this one wrong.
Fair enough. I don't really have an issue of where it should be, but there was nothing about the last 10 pages of this thread that showed me it belongs anywhere, let alone the Jazz forum. But if people want to do nothing but take angry swipes at each other fine with me. I have my doubts it'll be anything more than that, but as my wife likes to point out I'm wrong a lot.

My bigger issue is the people that basically say "why do we allow this here" or "why is this poster allowed here." Do people want to have a discussion where they are allowed to express their beliefs, or do people just want their own echo chambers to shout in? IMO, as long as people aren't breaking the rules I want nothing more than a place where people are allowed to express their opinions. If their opinions suck, let them know about it, which is possible without calling them a dumb **** or whatever.
 
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Lol damnitt phone
*Quiet

Just like that nobody really cares and they get quiet. Just like I said they would do then proceeded to get called nasty names by guys who need anger management.
Couldn't have anything at all to do with the fact that it's Saturday, which is generally when site traffic is lowest.
 
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