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Please Be The Rise Of A Third Party

Simply moving to a system that allows the people (popular vote, no majority necessary) would eliminate the two party system pretty quickly.
 
If gary johnson gets over 5% of the popular vote the libertarian party will receive about 10 million in federal grants in 2016 for campaign. As a reference, Johnson has only raised 2.3 mil to this point. He will be on the ballot in 48 states and does not have the money to get on the ballot in Oklahoma and one other state.

Our country has basically stated they don't want any poor people being elected by excluding them from the ballot.

Effing sucks.
 
b_line said:
Simply moving to a system that allows the people (popular vote, no majority necessary) would eliminate the two party system pretty quickly.
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No it wouldn't. You would have an even more ominous spoiler effect, which is largely why we have a strong 2 party system. Even worse ^that's how you elect a nutjob. Two or more sane people split the sane vote leaving Crazy Mcdouchebag and his fanatics an eay path to office.

I like both ranked choice voting or approval voting. I'd be cool with either. Neither is perfect but I think they are both better than what we've got.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHRPMJmzBBw
 
b_line said:
Simply moving to a system that allows the people (popular vote, no majority necessary) would eliminate the two party system pretty quickly.
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This seems the obvious way it should be done
 
♪alt13 said:
No it wouldn't. You would have an even more ominous spoiler effect, which is largely why we have a strong 2 party system. Even worse ^that's how you elect a nutjob. Two or more sane people split the sane vote leaving Crazy Mcdouchebag and his fanatics an eay path to office.

I like both ranked choice voting or approval voting. I'd be cool with either. Neither is perfect but I think they are both better than what we've got.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHRPMJmzBBw
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I don't disagree that it would be a chance to elect a nutjob, but even you said so that a third party nutjob would win. It would be an extremely fractured vote, no more two party success system.
 
♪alt13 said:
No it wouldn't. You would have an even more ominous spoiler effect, which is largely why we have a strong 2 party system. Even worse ^that's how you elect a nutjob. Two or more sane people split the sane vote leaving Crazy Mcdouchebag and his fanatics an eay path to office.

I like both ranked choice voting or approval voting. I'd be cool with either. Neither is perfect but I think they are both better than what we've got.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHRPMJmzBBw
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As if no nutjobs have come out of the 2-party system. LMFAO.
 
b_line said:
I don't disagree that it would be a chance to elect a nutjob, but even you said so that a third party nutjob would win. It would be an extremely fractured vote, no more two party success system.
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I should have separated the spoiler effect and minority rule a little better. I don't think a 3rd party would win but if they did it probably wouldn't be a desirable one for most people. Most likely voters would recognize that the spoiler effect was even more of an issue than before. That would probably make them less likely to risk a vote on a Perot, Nader, etc. That would strengthen the two party system. If a candidate were successful they would have been approved by even fewer voters than today, that doesn't seem to be preferable either.

I think plurality elections would at best strengthen the 2 party system and at worst be a breeding ground for nationalism.
 
Why does everyone need a bogey man? I was on the road in the middle of nowhere a lot lately and listening to the only thing on the radio: Rush Limbaugh. The guy goes on a rant about how liberals always need someone to blame so they vote populist notions to punish the big, bad rich guy.

He is right.

Then he goes on and on about how the establishment is such a problem. Washington D.C. blah blah blah.

Again, he was right. He just didn't realize how hypocritically right he was in indicting himself to his own character issues. He needs someone to blame.


I see the same thing every time I hear one of these whiny gripes about our two party system. Don't like it? VOTE! Lean republican? Go register for the democratic party and moderate it. Flaming lib? Go become a republican and start influencing the conventions. It really isn't that hard to make changes if people get over their party affiliations and vote opposite. You don't need a bogey man monster. Grow your asses up and start thinking like an adult instead of a bunch of whiny *** kids who need someone to blame for some alleged problem that probably isn't real to begin with. The D's and the R's aren't the problem.
 
franklin said:
Why does everyone need a bogey man? I was on the road in the middle of nowhere a lot lately and listening to the only thing on the radio: Rush Limbaugh. The guy goes on a rant about how liberals always need someone to blame so they vote populist notions to punish the big, bad rich guy.

He is right.

Then he goes on and on about how the establishment is such a problem. Washington D.C. blah blah blah.

Again, he was right. He just didn't realize how hypocritically right he was in indicting himself to his own character issues. He needs someone to blame.


I see the same thing every time I hear one of these whiny gripes about our two party system. Don't like it? VOTE! Lean republican? Go register for the democratic party and moderate it. Flaming lib? Go become a republican and start influencing the conventions. It really isn't that hard to make changes if people get over their party affiliations and vote opposite. You don't need a bogey man monster. Grow your asses up and start thinking like an adult instead of a bunch of whiny *** kids who need someone to blame for some alleged problem that probably isn't real to begin with. The D's and the R's aren't the problem.
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Idwtp
 
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