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Please read this! SLC Dunk- Black Lives Matter

Thee jazz fan said:
Anyone seen this? Another not so good a look for Utah fans.

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It won’t let me post a link to a bleacher report. Basically a utah fan tweeted they lost a jazz fan due to the court’s possibly having BLM painted on the courts the players play on. Both DM and Rudy respond in tweets.
 
silesian said:
So that’s your takeaway from the analogy?
I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and call it willful ignorance since I don’t think you are that obtuse.
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I think you need to rethink the analogies you are using and how they might be interpreted by disadvantaged groups.

My grand-father was a full-blooded Cherokee Indian, raised on a reservation in Oklahoma. I'm an enrolled Tribal member, and while my immediate family no longer live on the reservation, I work professionally consulting for Tribal governments. Society, and in particular the Federal Government, have been known for treating Native Americans "like children". Funding is highly restricted, lands are held in trust, communities are told where they can live, use of traditional languages were outlawed, the types of businesses they can operate are regulated, etc. This type of treatment is analogous with how we treat children. I've been in countless Tribal Council meetings with individuals expressing how sick and tired they are of being "treated like children" (mostly by the government).

This may not have been your intent, but it's curious to me that you chose this analogy. While I can't speak for any "group", I think most could care less about a shoulder to cry on, and rather want concrete ideas/solutions/action to eliminating their inherent disadvantages and removing their roadblocks to prosperity. This is why disadvantaged groups ask certain others to stay silent. They don't want apologies or vain attempts at empathy. They want a better life.

My Libertarian-ish viewpoints mostly come from my grandfather, who told me stories of the "Trail of Tears", subsequent treaties broken, and countless failed attempts by the Federal Government to correct these injustices, all of which have done more harm than good.

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One Brow said:
Advice is like horseradish. When it is appropriate, it can be the perfect enhancer. However, it's usefulness is limited, and you never give horseradish to someone who just wants mayonnaise or ketchup. Even when you do offer it, sometimes less is better.

When people really want advice, they'll ask for it. When they want empathy, giving advice is meeting your ego, not their needs.
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I disagree with the sentiment, but I love the analogy of horseradish. This made me want a sandwich.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
I think you need to rethink the analogies you are using and how they might be interpreted by disadvantaged groups.

My grand-father was a full-blooded Cherokee Indian, raised on a reservation in Oklahoma. I'm an enrolled Tribal member, and while my immediate family no longer live on the reservation, I work professionally consulting for Tribal governments. Society, and in particular the Federal Government, have been known for treating Native Americans "like children". Funding is highly restricted, lands are held in trust, communities are told where they can live, use of traditional languages were outlawed, the types of businesses they can operate are regulated, etc. This type of treatment is analogous with how we treat children. I've been in countless Tribal Council meetings with individuals expressing how sick and tired they are of being "treated like children" (mostly by the government).

This may not have been your intent, but it's curious to me that you chose this analogy. While I can't speak for any "group", I think most could care less about a shoulder to cry on, and rather want concrete ideas/solutions/action to eliminating their inherent disadvantages and removing their roadblocks to prosperity. This is why disadvantaged groups ask certain others to stay silent. They don't want apologies or vain attempts at empathy. They want a better life.

My Libertarian-ish viewpoints mostly come from my grandfather, who told me stories of the "Trail of Tears", subsequent treaties broken, and countless failed attempts by the Federal Government to correct these injustices, all of which have done more harm than good.

thelandlossofnativenations.jpg
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Here is what I said: "If after the bombing, someone were to say to you "Boston Strong!" would you be supportive and retweet this, expressing empathy towards the suffering and loss, or would you respond by saying "All Cities are Strong!" and list how other cities have had similar pain? Most humans would do the former. Some may understandably interpret and "All" as petty and jealous, questioning why Boston gets special treatment. The clear implication is "you're not so special"

If my daughter comes up to me and says "I'm really sad because I did not win in gymnastics, I tell her I understand why she would be sad and ask her how I can support her. I don't respond by saying "there are a thousands of athletes around the world who did not win" "

If you took this call for empathy and understanding as a slight to disadvantaged groups, then you, sir, are a card carrying member of the "cancel culture"

The notion that an analogy involving my daughter implies that Native Americans are children is idiotic.
 
silesian said:
If after the bombing, someone were to say to you "Boston Strong!" would you be supportive and retweet this, expressing empathy towards the suffering and loss, or would you respond by saying "All Cities are Strong!" and list how other cities have had similar pain? Most humans would do the former. Some may understandably interpret and "All" as petty and jealous, questioning why Boston gets special treatment. The clear implication is "you're not so special"

If my daughter comes up to me and says "I'm really sad because I did not win in gymnastics, I tell her I understand why she would be sad and ask her how I can support her. I don't respond by saying "there are a thousands of athletes around the world who did not win"
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Black lives matter explained:
I'm white, and when I go to a restaurant to sit and eat, nothing happens. I order and eat my meal and I don't get any strange looks or remarks by other patrons of the restaurant. Never have and never will.
When I go to the same restaurant with my daughter who's black or with her mother who's also black, I have to deal will strange looks, whispers, and even remarks both behind my back and occasionally to my face. 2 years ago someone walked up to my table and said "disgusting" in reference to my daughter (who was 6 years old at the time) for being black.
All lives matter? If you6 white like I am, our lives have always mattered. Black lives matter is simply saying that black lives matter as much as your life always has.
I've been pulled over several times over the last 10 years while being in the car with my wife and questioned by police how much I'm about to pay her for sex. They assume she's a prostitute because of her skin color.
Does that happen when you go on a date with your wife? Nope. Because your life has always mattered! Black lives matter isn't putting down the lives of everyone else. It's saying their life means what ours always has.
 
Not saying I don’t believe you, just crazy to me to think that happens. Is this usually after they stop you for breaking some traffic law?

that’s really sad man.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
I've been pulled over several times over the last 10 years while being in the car with my wife and questioned by police how much I'm about to pay her for sex. They assume she's a prostitute because of her skin color.
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Not saying I don’t believe you, just crazy to me to think that happens. Is this usually after they stop you for breaking some traffic law?

that’s really sad man.
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