PLS Stop Comparison with Paul George
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DutchJazzer
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instead we should compare big al jefferson to george hill
CAKAR
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I think AL has a piece of Bill Russell ? aignt it...?
Hotdog
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George is better and the Jazz did eff that one up too. Buttt. Hayward is pretty good too, so its not so bad. I'd like to have them both.
I do find it annoying how the Jazz think. I wanted George in that draft and so did a lot of other people. Its gotta make ya wonder what the hell were they thinking..
I do find it annoying how the Jazz think. I wanted George in that draft and so did a lot of other people. Its gotta make ya wonder what the hell were they thinking..
The Fresh Prince
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We gotta have "system" players.
Whatever the hell a system is these days...
Whatever the hell a system is these days...
d@!!0n0rcutt
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I promise you Paul George would NOT be who he is today if he was coached by Tyronne Corbin and in the non wing centric Jazz system, like The Fresh Prince just said, whatever that is these days.
Not really. George had his question marks just like anyone else drafted at the #10 position. I do agree that he's the better player now, but he's also playing with the better team and playing for a much, much, much superior head coach.
If George were on the Jazz there is no way he'd get 40+ minutes a game, and scrubs like Marvin Williams would be stealing his minutes for some bizarre unknown reason.
DutchJazzer
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according to corbin and those standing behind him.
alfense is a winning system
Destiny man, don't fight god.
Twin Towers
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Everyone shut up about the Jazz making a mistake on draft night. So did the other teams that drafted ahead of the Jazz. Hindsight bitches.
If we want to complain that we drafted a dud that is fine. But Hayward is a good player even though Corbin won't let the offense run through him. Which we wasted 3 years of development not letting him practice that.
1 - Wizards - John Wall
2 - Philly - Evan Turner
3 - New Jersey - Derrick Favors
4 - Wolves - Wesley Johnson
5 - Kings - DeMarcus Cousins
6 - Golden State Warriors - Ekpe Udoh
7 - Detroit Pistons - Greg Monroe
8 - Los Angeles Clippers - Al-Farouq Aminu
I would take Hayward over all of these wing players and most of the big men also. We could of wasted a pick on Wesley Johnson or Aminu.
I wouldn't be surprised if Hayward is the better player long term. If you look at Haywards stats per 36 compared to Paul George who played 37 minutes a game it is not a big difference.
FG% - Hayward wins
3P% - Hayward wins
FT% - Hayward wins (And shoots more per game)
Rebounding - Paul George wins
Assists - Paul George wins
Blocks - About the same
steals - Paul George wins
Turnovers - Hayward
Now this is Gordon Hayward playing with Mo Williams and Al Jefferson who just jack ups shots. They actually play team ball on the Pacers. They run the offense through him. And everyone seems to be unselfish on the team. And better defenders to set up the offense.
Everyone here is going to be eating crow next year when he gets the same minutes and Favors and Kanter are manning the paint, making offensive transitions easier for Hayward and Burks because the defensive stops will be there.
Put things in perspective please.
If we want to complain that we drafted a dud that is fine. But Hayward is a good player even though Corbin won't let the offense run through him. Which we wasted 3 years of development not letting him practice that.
1 - Wizards - John Wall
2 - Philly - Evan Turner
3 - New Jersey - Derrick Favors
4 - Wolves - Wesley Johnson
5 - Kings - DeMarcus Cousins
6 - Golden State Warriors - Ekpe Udoh
7 - Detroit Pistons - Greg Monroe
8 - Los Angeles Clippers - Al-Farouq Aminu
I would take Hayward over all of these wing players and most of the big men also. We could of wasted a pick on Wesley Johnson or Aminu.
I wouldn't be surprised if Hayward is the better player long term. If you look at Haywards stats per 36 compared to Paul George who played 37 minutes a game it is not a big difference.
FG% - Hayward wins
3P% - Hayward wins
FT% - Hayward wins (And shoots more per game)
Rebounding - Paul George wins
Assists - Paul George wins
Blocks - About the same
steals - Paul George wins
Turnovers - Hayward
Now this is Gordon Hayward playing with Mo Williams and Al Jefferson who just jack ups shots. They actually play team ball on the Pacers. They run the offense through him. And everyone seems to be unselfish on the team. And better defenders to set up the offense.
Everyone here is going to be eating crow next year when he gets the same minutes and Favors and Kanter are manning the paint, making offensive transitions easier for Hayward and Burks because the defensive stops will be there.
Put things in perspective please.
cctrackstar
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Amen to that. Every draft has this player who is way better than expected that so many teams missed on. Paul is that guy right now. If he were drafted 15, would we be freaking out? Probably not as much, but just because the Jazz were one pick ahead we freak out. And besides, as has been pointed out, Paul is not that much better per 36.
What is Hayward? He is a good shooter, he is an elite transition defensive player, he embarrassed Kobe defensively last year, he has been assigned to guard a point guard a time or two because our point couldn't handle it, and oh, by the way, he is a better playmaker than our point guard. He is one of the most complete players that I know of, so what's stopping him from becoming a superstar?
Hmm, just remembered that in the exit interviews the coaching staff told him to take more of a leadership role on the team.......
What is Hayward? He is a good shooter, he is an elite transition defensive player, he embarrassed Kobe defensively last year, he has been assigned to guard a point guard a time or two because our point couldn't handle it, and oh, by the way, he is a better playmaker than our point guard. He is one of the most complete players that I know of, so what's stopping him from becoming a superstar?
Hmm, just remembered that in the exit interviews the coaching staff told him to take more of a leadership role on the team.......
Sexual Favors
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Another thread for this topic? Are you ****ting me? The comparison is stupid. George is good; Hayward is good. Hayward is our guy, and this next season should show us who he truly is. They play with different teammates and for different coaches. Seriously, when Hayward has an amazing season next year, you all are goimg to feel like a bunch of ingrates.
The Black Swordsman
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Ya they were taken at during the same pick in the samedraft. Also they play the same position. Lets not compare Gordon Hayward to Paul George, lets compare him to John Wall and Marcin Gortat instead.
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I love Jazz fans. Most of them pick 3 or 4 guys in the draft that they like and then 2 or 3 years later, when one of them is playing well, they claim he's the guy they wanted. Just look at the draft thread. Not saying you're one of those guys Hack...
Agreed. Cannot see Hay quite getting to this level. But Hay is very very good. Well, he could be very very good with the right coach.
I liked both guys in the draft but I wasn't dying for either. If I were drafting I would have flipped a coin. I see no reason to make excuses for either player because both of them our outstanding players. Even if you think George is the better player the Jazz didn't screw up their pick by taking Gordon. Look at all the players who were drafted before these two and I think you could make a strong argument that both should have been drafted before all the rest of the players.
This argument is like the CP3 vs DW argument. No one is wrong and no one is right. It is strictly a personal preference.
This argument is like the CP3 vs DW argument. No one is wrong and no one is right. It is strictly a personal preference.
1320 commented on a few stats re Hay/George. Their first two years they were about equal on minutes, ppg, and games started. Last year they diverged as George's minutes went up quite a bit while Hay's went down a bit. The issue: picking up Marvin and being "forced" to play. I would also add that early in the season when Hay started, he had no impact because of alfense.
Thee Jazz Fan
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also would like to add that no one even thought he could look this good, then the Pacers best player Granger misses the year and George makes the Allstar game. Playoffs hit and the Pacers find them selves learning on George. Hayward has Millsap, Al, and Mo in the way. And still put up similar numbers to George before the playoffs hit. Hayward is going to be great like have said for two years now.
Repped
I can't even begin to explain how wrong you are. First we got blown out by NY with no Mello. We also struggled against Atlanta. Remember when we made Harris look like a HOF pg. Also there defense is light years ahead of ours it's not even funny.