Police Power and Racial Tensions in Ferguson, Missouri

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An unrelated, yet culturally related, example of police misbehavior, in Georgia:

https://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08...e-in-botched-drug-raid/#.U_NPqCTUINc.facebook

 

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WARNING GRAPHIC LANGUAGE AND IMAGES... 1:28 in to see them put body into SUV. You'll see no ambulance at all, after he laid out on street face down for a couple hours. One of the officer shown walking around is also Wilson - and clearly w/o fractured orbital bone.

That is big crowd. Does nobody in this neighborhood have job?

 

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There are five eyewitnesses who disagree with that assessment.

The eye witness will put officer who murdered Brown into prison if the powers that be didnt cover it up. Word is they even faked autopsy to make it look like brown wasn't shot in the back 9 times.

 

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I don't see why it would be offensive to say Thomas benefited from AA. Explain it to me. See if you can find words you are willing to write. If you can not find words you are willing to write, ask yourself why.

Don't ask me. Ask Justice Thomas. Continue to believe what you will. It is highly offensive to make the assumption he only is where he is due to AA. You have no idea what his LSAT score is, and it is the biggest factor at every IVY league school. A high LSAT can overcome less than stellar grades, but the inverse is not true. Your comments are the living definition of bias, and you don't even see it. AA is a program that creates a bias as currently implemented. The difference between the average admission scores at Baylor vs the average for blacks is a lot more than four points. And four points on the LSAT is huge. That could be the difference of Yale instead of University of Utah. Huge. U of Texas allowed a student in with a LSAT of 128. You get 120 just for writing your name.

Racism will always exist, it doesn't mean it is OK to have programs that exacerbate it. Additionally, most law students are upper middle class regardless of race. The fix is not at the admissions level, it should be before, and it all goes to the disadvantaged poor, again, regardless of race.

And in regards to what is allowed under the constitution, there is no protection against class. Race, gender, and now sexual orientation are all protected, and to be defeated a program must pass strict or intermediate scrutiny, which are nearly impossible to overcome. For discrimination against class (or anything else that is not a protected class), you simply have to pass a rational basis review, which is easy to do.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

Don't ask me. Ask Justice Thomas. Continue to believe what you will. It is highly offensive to make the assumption he only is where he is due to AA. You have no idea what his LSAT score is, and it is the biggest factor at every IVY league school. A high LSAT can overcome less than stellar grades, but the inverse is not true. Your comments are the living definition of bias, and you don't even see it. AA is a program that creates a bias as currently implemented. The difference between the average admission scores at Baylor vs the average for blacks is a lot more than four points. And four points on the LSAT is huge. That could be the difference of Yale instead of University of Utah. Huge. U of Texas allowed a student in with a LSAT of 128. You get 120 just for writing your name.

Racism will always exist, it doesn't mean it is OK to have programs that exacerbate it. Additionally, most law students are upper middle class regardless of race. The fix is not at the admissions level, it should be before, and it all goes to the disadvantaged poor, again, regardless of race.

And in regards to what is allowed under the constitution, there is no protection against class. Race, gender, and now sexual orientation are all protected, and to be defeated a program must pass strict or intermediate scrutiny, which are nearly impossible to overcome. For discrimination against class (or anything else that is not a protected class), you simply have to pass a rational basis review, which is easy to do.

This. I've said it before but MsSerp is still a little bitter she didn't get into Princeton. At the end of the day, it meant **** because she knew she wanted to be a CPA and didn't even want to go to Princeton because of that but 2,360 out of 2,400 on her SAT's and 2nd in a class of about 800 isn't enough to get in? Give me a break...admittedly she didn't do a ton of extra **** which certainly hurt her, no doubt, and Princeton is about so much more than just grades and SAT's but still, there's no way Princeton's incoming class that year had students with an average of anywhere near that. Not even close.

 

[LogGrad98]

This. I've said it before but MsSerp is still a little bitter she didn't get into Princeton. At the end of the day, it meant **** because she knew she wanted to be a CPA and didn't even want to go to Princeton because of that but 2,360 out of 2,400 on her SAT's and 2nd in a class of about 800 isn't enough to get in? Give me a break...admittedly she didn't do a ton of extra **** which certainly hurt her, no doubt, and Princeton is about so much more than just grades and SAT's but still, there's no way Princeton's incoming class that year had students with an average of anywhere near that. Not even close.

BYU is even tougher...if you are female. My daughter was 2nd in her class (3.9 or something GPA), tons of extra curriculars, including starting 3 clubs that have been adopted at other high schools in the state, killer SAT and ACT scores, and didn't get even accepted into BYU (although they did accept her into BYU Idaho, like BYU's uglier fatter sister), yet she was offered scholarships at a half dozen other schools including a partial at Stanford. And her boyfriend, who had a decent GPA (like 3.6 or so...however they measured that for a kid that was mostly home schooled) and didn't really do any extras and was very middle of the road on his testing (only took the ACT) was accepted to BYU even after applying late. Admissions at that school are a serious joke. My daughter was told by the admissions person she was talking to that lots of girls with really high credentials don't get in, but if she wants she could transfer in after a semester elsewhere and get in no problem. Bizarre.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

BYU is even tougher...if you are female. My daughter was 2nd in her class (3.9 or something GPA), tons of extra curriculars, including starting 3 clubs that have been adopted at other high schools in the state, killer SAT and ACT scores, and didn't get even accepted into BYU (although they did accept her into BYU Idaho, like BYU's uglier fatter sister), yet she was offered scholarships at a half dozen other schools including a partial at Stanford. And her boyfriend, who had a decent GPA (like 3.6 or so...however they measured that for a kid that was mostly home schooled) and didn't really do any extras and was very middle of the road on his testing (only took the ACT) was accepted to BYU even after applying late. Admissions at that school are a serious joke. My daughter was told by the admissions person she was talking to that lots of girls with really high credentials don't get in, but if she wants she could transfer in after a semester elsewhere and get in no problem. Bizarre.

Stanford but not BYU. Oof. Very bizarre indeed.

 

[JAZZGASM]

BYU is even tougher...if you are female. My daughter was 2nd in her class (3.9 or something GPA), tons of extra curriculars, including starting 3 clubs that have been adopted at other high schools in the state, killer SAT and ACT scores, and didn't get even accepted into BYU (although they did accept her into BYU Idaho, like BYU's uglier fatter sister), yet she was offered scholarships at a half dozen other schools including a partial at Stanford. And her boyfriend, who had a decent GPA (like 3.6 or so...however they measured that for a kid that was mostly home schooled) and didn't really do any extras and was very middle of the road on his testing (only took the ACT) was accepted to BYU even after applying late. Admissions at that school are a serious joke. My daughter was told by the admissions person she was talking to that lots of girls with really high credentials don't get in, but if she wants she could transfer in after a semester elsewhere and get in no problem. Bizarre.

It would be interesting to see the demographics of admittance based on gender Breed 'em Young University.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

I should say that I can live with AA much more in college admissions than I can in getting a job. If it helped a kid who had a rough life in an awful area get into a great college, cool. Now prove you're worth it. Because if I'm a hiring manager for a company four years from then (or five if you were a bum like me), I want to hire you based on your ability and the value you bring to my company. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[HighlandHomie]

CNN now reporting that claims of fracture eye socket are false. CNN is trash, like most of the major news outlets, but soon enough the facts will come out about Ferguson PD's absolute failure.

 

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I should say that I can live with AA much more in college admissions than I can in getting a job. If it helped a kid who had a rough life in awful area get into a great college, cool. Now prove you're worth it. Because if I'm a hiring manager for a company four years from then (or five if you were a bum like me), I want to hire you based on your ability and the value you bring to my company. Nothing more.

From what I have read, at least for post bachelor's programs, the majority of students (of any race) are generally upper middle class. That is why I advocate to tweak AA to only base preference based on class/lack of advantage (low educated parents, those who go to sub par high schools, whatever) to allow those that truly have been disadvantaged to have a chance to succeed.

 

[LogGrad98]

I should say that I can live with AA much more in college admissions than I can in getting a job. If it helped a kid who had a rough life in awful area get into a great college, cool. Now prove you're worth it. Because if I'm a hiring manager for a company four years from then (or five if you were a bum like me), I want to hire you based on your ability and the value you bring to my company. Nothing more, nothing less.

Spot on.