Poll: Should the Jazz Match Hayward's $15.75 a year/4 year Contract?

[Stifle Tower]

Ya know, with that being said, it really is hard to assess players under the Corbin regime.

In one sentence, why the last three years were almost completely wasted.

 

[Shocker00]

There is no way Burks or Kanter will agree to any contract extension now, when Hayward gets rewarded like this for his worst season of his career. This just opened up the door for them to do the samething. The Jazz should have never mentioned they would match any contract Hayward would get because there was a lot of money out to be spent this year. Other teams new the only chance they had was to throw the max at him. If the Jazz were smart they would have pretended they were not interested after his bad season and who knows maybe the Hornets might have offerd 11-13M a year.

 

[cowhide]

When favors signed his deal it wasn't because he's a team player... His agent looked at the risk of injury or poor play and said this deal gives us enough. He didn't say I can sign for the max or take less money and be a team player.

Imagine if Gordon had blown up his knee last year... How much money would he have lost? He gambled and won... Favors took the safe route ( which I would have done as well... I'm not criticizing him). Even if you hate the contract all the Gordon isn't a team player because he is taking the money stuff has to stop... Had the jazz offered favors the max he would have taken it.

Actually Favors did talk about the team first, he wanted to know if the Jazz would promise to keep as many players as they could and he took a reasonable contract. I don't belittle Hayward for getting the maximum amount of money but as a fan I care about the Jazz and not one player so I am going to appreciate Favors more because he considered the team as a whole. I don't hate Gordon nor will I if he comes back, I am just completely against paying him that much money when there are better options. My disdain for the deal will even be greater if Hood is as good as I think he will be. Guys like Hayward are easily replaceable. Now if you were talking about re-signing/trading Stockton and Malone in their prime then it would be an easy decision.

 

[mellow]

In one sentence, why the last three years were almost completely wasted.

Uh, uh uh, I think you meant the last three seasons were spent not skipping steps. Because you can't re build from the bottom up unless you start at the bottom.

 

[Nasty Style]

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/18/4854170/derrick-favors-contract-extension-utah-jazz
Favors' representatives and the Jazz have reportedly been working on a deal for several months and the two sides were able to come to an agreement less than two weeks before the Oct. 31 deadline. If Favors didn't sign an extension by the deadline, he would have become a restricted free agent next summer, and he could have commanded a deal worth $13 million per season, according to Wojnarowski
Seems like a discount. Not as much as I thought though.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You think the Jazz weren't prepared to offer Favors more $? (Ir)Regardless(Boozer), that's what they offered him. If the Jazz match the offer, they will in effect be offering Hayward that ridiculous contract. Think about where you work...Your company gives you a raise and you accept it. Your co-worker who's been steadily declining in performance, is always late, has a bad attitude, passes the buck, whatever, is due for a raise and goes to the competition for leverage. Your company finds out that they're going to pay him way more than he's worth and decides to pay the same. You're saying no part of you would feel any resentment?
He's getting paid for not showing up is the bottom line. I love the Jazz but have a hard time supporting moves that Charlotte would make. We're better than that and not hurting at the SF/SG position. He doesn't deserve it.
I'm saying do another Golden State trade this year, there's good FA's next year - get one. Gordon is not a player you build your team around. I know the talk about his contract will be up when...I don't like the team going in the GH direction the next 3 years. It will ruin the direction the team should and will need to go when he bolts.

It's tough to compare our world to theirs and no I wouldn't feel slighted at all because that's kind of how things work. In my professional life I've always been the one that has sought the greener pastures. One of my coworkers still thinks it looks bad in my resume, but I make twice as much as him and have had way more opportunities to grow... E doesn't have the balls to "test free agency" which I think is silly.

I just wouldn't be concerned much with favors... They are probably friends... I'd be more pissed off if my company was too cheap to pay my friend and let him walk.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Uh, uh uh, I think you meant the last three seasons were spent not skipping steps. Because you can't re build from the bottom up unless you start at the bottom.

That's why I said "almost" wasted. DL acquired additional assets. Jazz have added two very good players to the team. And, when Hayward can't be resigned in 3 years, Jazz will have an additional draft pick to use.

 

[Stifle Tower]

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/18/4854170/derrick-favors-contract-extension-utah-jazz
Favors' representatives and the Jazz have reportedly been working on a deal for several months and the two sides were able to come to an agreement less than two weeks before the Oct. 31 deadline. If Favors didn't sign an extension by the deadline, he would have become a restricted free agent next summer, and he could have commanded a deal worth $13 million per season, according to Wojnarowski
Seems like a discount. Not as much as I thought though.

Well, the estimate was $13M. Wojnarowski was just guessing on what the value MIGHT be for Derrick. But that was before the cap jumped $5M. A lot of teams gained extra space. I'll bet a similar figure would have been used in a story about Hayward had he been the one to sign an agreement.

 

[ema]

It's tough to compare our world to theirs and no I wouldn't feel slighted at all because that's kind of how things work. In my professional life I've always been the one that has sought the greener pastures. One of my coworkers still thinks it looks bad in my resume, but I make twice as much as him and have had way more opportunities to grow... E doesn't have the balls to "test free agency" which I think is silly.

I just wouldn't be concerned much with favors... They are probably friends... I'd be more pissed off if my company was too cheap to pay my friend and let him walk.

I agree Favors most probably will be fine with it, but when you think the numbers it's really not fair indeed, regardless of how the things work. I mean $12M for Favors and $16M for Hayward, it's so wrong.

I would not be much comfortable with my boss paying %30 more than I get to a guy who brings similar usefulness(maybe even less) to the work.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I agree Favors most probably will be fine with it, but when you think the numbers it's really not fair indeed, regardless of how the things work. I mean $12M for Favors and $16M for Hayward, it's so wrong.

I would not be much comfortable with my boss paying %30 more than I get to a guy who brings similar usefulness(maybe even less) to the work.

That's why it's tough to compare... Most employers guard salary information so people don't really know. I don't think favors will feel slighted... He took the safe route. That's not GHs fault or jazz management. It may not be fair per se, bit biedrens made more than most on the team and everyone seemed okay with it... I know we didn't sign him but it doesn't change from the example above much.

Where this hurts us most, other than the dollars and flexibility, is with burks extension. That could be a tough negotiation.

 

[ema]

That's why it's tough to compare... Most employers guard salary information so people don't really know. I don't think favors will feel slighted... He took the safe route. That's not GHs fault or jazz management. It may not be fair per se, bit biedrens made more than most on the team and everyone seemed okay with it... I know we didn't sign him but it doesn't change from the example above much.

Where this hurts us most, other than the dollars and flexibility, is with burks extension. That could be a tough negotiation.

Agreed about the gist, and the Burks part. Burks-like players are valuable as much as Haywards are in the NBA. Burks is almost-elite at going to the rim and he's decent at most of the things remaining, while he is also improving consistently.

I hope Hayward will at least pay for the dinners whenever he goes out with his teammates from now on. Though, given the stories I've heard before about him, it may be unlikely.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Agreed about the gist, and the Burks part. Burks-like players are valuable as much as Haywards are in the NBA. Burks is almost-elite at going to the rim and he's decent at most of the things remaining, while he is also improving consistently.

I hope Hayward will at least pay for the dinners whenever he goes out with his teammates from now on. Though, given the stories I've heard before about him, it may be unlikely.

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