Poll: Should the Lindsey/Vanik experiment come to an end?

[sahlensguy]

Anyone want to reassess?

These two need to go.

 

[416Klawzz]

I will spam the hell out of his inbox with Christian Wood highlight videos.

wouldn't matter he is stupid...

 

[jom2003]

They tried something different.

different how? we took one step forward then another step back. so we are now back to where we started. that's basically the same as not moving your feet at all.

we add more offense by subtracting it from defense. it sums up to zero. the real way to do something different is to add values without subtraction, which is not what the FO has accomplished this past offseason at all.

 

[sgjazzfan]

different how? we took one step forward then another step back. so we are now back to where we started. that's basically the same as not moving your feet at all.

we add more offense by subtracting it from defense. it sums up to zero. the real way to do something different is to add values without subtraction, which is not what the FO has accomplished this past offseason at all.

They realized that shooting was a problem so they added shooting. It was something different. It didn't work out, but they didn't just sit on their hands

 

[jom2003]

They realized that shooting was a problem so they added shooting. It was something different. It didn't work out, but they didn't just sit on their hands

then next year they will realize our lack of size, hustle and toughness are problems then will again "try something different" by getting rid of conley and bojan, bringing back crowder and favs. you see where this is going?

treading water is the same thing as a dead man's float. you can pretend that they are different but they really aren't. some may even argue that dead man's float is better cuz it saves you energy

 

[sgjazzfan]

then next year they will realize our lack of size, hustle and toughness are problems then will again "try something different" by getting rid of conley and bojan, bringing back crowder and favs. you see where this is going?

treading water is the same thing as a dead man's float. you can pretend that they are different but they really aren't. some may even argue that dead man's float is better cuz it saves you energy

WTF are they supposed to do? This is the same think every team is doing. Try to bring in the best players possible, and get as good as possible. Would you rather they stuck with Rubio, Favors and Crowder? Sorry they didn't just sign every FA all star available.

 

[jom2003]

This is the same think every team is doing.

that is simply not true. what other teams have done are overall net improvement. that is adding values to their one of their offense/defense weakness areas without much hurting the rest. that is how to properly fix a problem and improve your team.

what our FO has done this past summer instead was fixing one problem by creating a whole new different problem. that is not called improvement my friend.

like i agree we need more shooting on this team and even agree with the logic behind letting go of rubio, crowder and even Favs, but you simply don't do it for bojan and conley. those guys are better offensive talents but much worse on defense. adding them while losing Favs/rubio/Crowder doesn't create any net positive value to this team. in some sense, we actually lost more than we gained. you can tread water as hard as you can but you aren't going anywhere. so might as well just do a deadman's float.

if you want real improvement through trade/exchange of talents, at least do it for the right players(let's not talk about how much DL has overpaid in that conley's trade its not even funny). or else just keep what you have then try your luck in the draft/FA

 

[LogGrad98]

They're happy to make the playoffs every year and fill the arena. Because of the elite homerism by the local media hyping up the team every year, fans will have a false sense of hope that the team will contend. Team ends up disappointing in the playoffs, local media says that there's a lot to look forward to next season, fans get hype... rinse and repeat.

Slow and steady keeps butts in the seats. That is their goal. They are exceedingly good at it.

 

[sgjazzfan]

that is simply not true. what other teams have done are overall net improvement. that is adding values to their one of their offense/defense weakness areas without much hurting the rest. that is how to properly fix a problem and improve your team.

what our FO has done this past summer instead was fixing one problem by creating a whole new different problem. that is not called improvement my friend.

like i agree we need more shooting on this team and even agree with the logic behind letting go of rubio, crowder and even Favs, but you simply don't do it for bojan and conley. those guys are better offensive talents but much worse on defense. adding them while losing Favs/rubio/Crowder doesn't create any net positive value to this team. in some sense, we actually lost more than we gained. you can tread water as hard as you can but you aren't going anywhere. so might as well just do a deadman's float.

if you want real improvement through trade/exchange of talents, at least do it for the right players(let's not talk about how much DL has overpaid in that conley's trade its not even funny). or else just keep what you have then try your luck in the draft/FA

Open your eyes and read this effing message. THEY TRIED. They didn't just sit on their effing hands and accept what they had. That is my entire point. They want to improve. They took some chances. They knew that ellie defense with poor offense didn't work, so they added offense (shocker they couldn't add elite offense and defensive players at the same time, a there are about 5 of those in the NBA).

It hasn't work out as they hoped. But to say they simply want to just make the playoffs every year is not true WHICH IS THE POINT I WAS RESPONDING TO.

 

[Jazzta]

Open your eyes and read this effing message. THEY TRIED. They didn't just sit on their effing hands and accept what they had. That is my entire point. They want to improve. They took some chances. They knew that ellie defense with poor offense didn't work, so they added offense (shocker they couldn't add elite offense and defensive players at the same time, a there are about 5 of those in the NBA).

It hasn't work out as they hoped. But to say they simply want to just make the playoffs every year is not true WHICH IS THE POINT I WAS RESPONDING TO.

I get what you’re saying but you also want to make sure that the changes made to the roster aren’t too disruptive. The eye test tells me that the team was much tighter last season, and basically they’ve gone from defense first and unselfish offense to something very different that isn’t getting the results against the top teams.

They got rid of character players that would bring it night in and night out, and the team’s overall psychological toughness has consequently dropped. That’s what I see at least.

 

[sahlensguy]

They completely whiffed on the fit they thought Conley would be. Not to mention the massive overpay. Pretty inexcusable considering how much time in the league Lindsey, Zanik and Conley has had.

 

[sgjazzfan]

I get what you’re saying but you also want to make sure that the changes made to the roster aren’t too disruptive. The eye test tells me that the team was much tighter last season, and basically they’ve gone from defense first and unselfish offense to something very different that isn’t getting the results against the top teams.

They got rid of character players that would bring it night in and night out, and the team’s overall psychological toughness has consequently dropped. That’s what I see at least.

I agree, it hasn't worked out and they need to make changes next year. They knew they were taking a step back defensively, they just over estimated how much Rudy would make up for it.