Poll: YOUR DREAMS for 2013-2014

[UGLI baby]

Would rep this post 10 times if possible

 

[Deleted member 848]

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Thanks, spazz.. I must admit/mention that I am not at all impressed with Corbin thus far. I don't think he's a chemistry builder, a developer of talent, nor a good x's and o's coach. I just think he's over his head.

This exactly matches my opinion of him. Like spazz I tend to be an optimistic guy who gives players and coaches the benefit of the doubt, but having watched Corbin deliver virtually nothing for over two years I wouldn't be even a tiny bit disappointed to hear that he and the team had decided to part ways. In fact, I would be thrilled because I think that Dennis Lindsey (who happens to be my dad's neighbor) would do a great job of hiring a new coach.

 

[LogGrad98]

This. Also because he does everything well. Has poise.. and is mentally tough. Also, this draft was weak... so getting anything at all out of it is a plus.

Fish said a great season.. not a decent one. He also said POY not best PG available.
(See the first sentence highlighted and quoted)

Burke may not live up to expectations.. but his body of work vs. a couple summer league games suggests the negative nancies need to be more patient and let the guy play a few games. I am much more optimistic about him than this board as a whole.

So instead of a negative nancy you are a positive pollyanna? Gotcha.

Does this apply in any way?

https://voices.yahoo.com/why-great-college-basketball-players-become-nba-2920936.html?cat=9

Is there a compelling reason why this is not a possible, and maybe even good, estimate of Burke's potential?

https://www.realclearsports.com/lis...mateen_cleaves_michigan_state.html?state=stop

Michigan State. Averaged 12.5 ppg and 6.6 apg over four years, Big Ten career assists leader with 816, Most Outstanding Player of the 2000 Final Four, three-time All-American, two-time Big Ten Player of the Year.

Seems Cleaves' pluses, minuses and accolades are very close to Burke's.

 

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I've said it many times, but here again:

Burke showed OUTSTANDING ability in his recognition of where he needed to be in space/on the floor, and in his ability to get there. He reminds me a little of DWill in this sense. He WILL get to his spot and (HOPEFULLY) do good things from there. This will take some adjusting though, because at this level he'll have to use his teammates' skills to get to those spots a lot more. In other words, he'll need to know where his teammates are most effective, put the defense on its heels by quickly getting them the ball in those spots, and then put pressure on the D with own O once he has them on their heels in this way. In college he could do more himself, simply with his own dribble.

He.is.not.undersized.

 

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^ if I weren't here to play the *******, yall would rep that.

 

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I've said it many times, but here again:

Burke showed OUTSTANDING ability in his recognition of where he needed to be in space/on the floor, and in his ability to get there. He reminds me a little of DWill in this sense. He WILL get to his spot and (HOPEFULLY) do good things from there. This will take some adjusting though, because at this level he'll have to use his teammates' skills to get to those spots a lot more. In other words, he'll need to know where his teammates are most effective, put the defense on its heels by quickly getting them the ball in those spots, and then put pressure on the D with own O once he has them on their heels in this way. In college he could do more himself, simply with his own dribble.

He.is.not.undersized.

In other words, watch cp3... who happens to be the same size.

(we know burke is watching him)

 

[cowhide]

How about the Jazz barely miss the playoffs because they get job by the refs. The BB gods bless them with the first overall pick and the Tankers fall apart due to injuries to key players. They move up and we land the 2nd pick.

If you are going to dream you might as well dream big!! Even better scenario, the Jazz win the NBA championship and shock the world. GS falls apart and the Jazz land the number one pick. Now that is going BIG!!!!

 

[Dr. Jones]

How about the Jazz barely miss the playoffs because they get job by the refs. The BB gods bless them with the first overall pick and the Tankers fall apart due to injuries to key players. They move up and we land the 2nd pick.

If you are going to dream you might as well dream big!! Even better scenario, the Jazz win the NBA championship and shock the world. GS falls apart and the Jazz land the number one pick. Now that is going BIG!!!!

And my blow up doll Emma comes to life, forrealz.

 

[ema]

My only concern for the Jazz with Trey Burke is not his quality but his game style.

Honestly, I skipped a large portion of the last season and didn't even follow the NBA darft. But this became an opportunity for me to know Burke better. After the darft, I am consistently trying to catch with the NBA and the Jazz basketball. So, first I watched Burke's SL games and when I was disappointed with what I saw, I watched all of his pre-draft videos and highlights, and then when I liked what I saw, I watched several full games of him with Michigan.

So for me, Burke is obviously a very good PG and will be even better. But it still surprises me that there is almost a consensus about him being the future long term PG of this team already. And some people base this idea on him being a great facilitator and a first-pass type of a PG. It's simply not true from what I've seen from him. He is still naturally a scorer/shooter PG but with a decent/solid success at trying to be also a good distributor offensively. This point is important, he has a very good passing ability and he is willing to use it to balance his game. But this doesn't change his natural feelings about the game.

I always voiced my opinion that this team needs a true, natural passing-first PG for the long term. A la Stock, Nash, Rondo, DWill, Rubio etc. Obviously, while there aren't many of these pure PGs around to grab (there wasn't one in the darft for sure), I'm more than OK with Trey Burke and I especially like his efforts for evolving his game towards a more balanced offensive presence. Very few players succeed on this subject, actually many PGs even fail miserably.

Anyways, needless to say, Trey Burke is hell of a reason to make us waiting the new season avidly. He is a great mystery at this point and I'm quite eager to see how it will be resolved and can't wait for it.

I am optimistic.

 

[Jazz4ever]

So instead of a negative nancy you are a positive pollyanna? Gotcha.

Does this apply in any way?

https://voices.yahoo.com/why-great-college-basketball-players-become-nba-2920936.html?cat=9

Is there a compelling reason why this is not a possible, and maybe even good, estimate of Burke's potential?

https://www.realclearsports.com/lis...mateen_cleaves_michigan_state.html?state=stop



Seems Cleaves' pluses, minuses and accolades are very close to Burke's.

FWIW Bill Simmons called Burke the "safest" pick in the draft. Essentially, he had the lowest bust factor of any player which was quite a compliment. Now Cleaves was a great point guard in college, but he did not have an offensive game close to Burke. His shooting was particularly weak. If an NBA defender can safely back off you, then its not going to end well for you. Case in point Kendall Marshall. Cleaves also showed no improvement from his sophomore to senior year, a good sign his potential was capped pretty low. GMs generally agreed, as he wasn't taken until 14.

 

[The Midnight]

My only concern for the Jazz with Trey Burke is not his quality but his game style.

Honestly, I skipped a large portion of the last season and didn't even follow the NBA darft. But this became an opportunity for me to know Burke better. After the darft, I am consistently trying to catch with the NBA and the Jazz basketball. So, first I watched Burke's SL games and when I was disappointed with what I saw, I watched all of his pre-draft videos and highlights, and then when I liked what I saw, I watched several full games of him with Michigan.

So for me, Burke is obviously a very good PG and will be even better. But it still surprises me that there is almost a consensus about him being the future long term PG of this team already. And some people base this idea on him being a great facilitator and a first-pass type of a PG. It's simply not true from what I've seen from him. He is still naturally a scorer/shooter PG but with a decent/solid success at trying to be also a good distributor offensively. This point is important, he has a very good passing ability and he is willing to use it to balance his game. But this doesn't change his natural feelings about the game.

I always voiced my opinion that this team needs a true, natural passing-first PG for the long term. A la Stock, Nash, Rondo, DWill, Rubio etc. Obviously, while there aren't many of these pure PGs around to grab (there wasn't one in the darft for sure), I'm more than OK with Trey Burke and I especially like his efforts for evolving his game towards a more balanced offensive presence. Very few players succeed on this subject, actually many PGs even fail miserably.

Anyways, needless to say, Trey Burke is hell of a reason to make us waiting the new season avidly. He is a great mystery at this point and I'm quite eager to see how it will be resolved and can't wait for it.

I am optimistic.

Well Chris Paul averaged 6.6 assists per game his last year of college.. Burke averaged 6.7...

Kemba on the other hand averaged 4.5 assists per game his last year of college... Rondo's was 4.9......................


Draw your own conclusions from those stats...