Portland looking to move up

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Denver would agree with you. Suckas.

So would Houston. Look what Houston has built scamming people for valuable draft picks. Same with Boston. Boston won titles by trading away draft picks.

Draft picks are only valuable until the night of the draft. Then when you go to pick, and you look at the crap you have to pick from, you realize your pick was garbage all along. If someone will trade you a starter for a 11+ pick, do it. Don't even consider it. Do it. It's a no brainer.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

So would Houston. Look what Houston has built scamming people for valuable draft picks. Same with Boston. Boston won titles by trading away draft picks.

Draft picks are only valuable until the night of the draft. Then when you go to pick, and you look at the crap you have to pick from, you realize your pick was garbage all along. If someone will trade you a starter for a 11+ pick, do it. Don't even consider it. Do it. It's a no brainer.

No, it's not always a no brainer. All trades are not created equal, and sometimes you are better off keeping your pick and taking your chances on drafting a player. I am a big supporter of Boston's rebuild model, but there are many variables in making something like that happen. Al Jefferson was the main piece in the deal for KG, and he was drafted at 15. Now, according to your line of thinking, Boston should have dumped that worthless #15 for a player coming off a bad year and had one year left on their contract, right? Instead, Boston drafted a good player at 15, developed him enough to the point he had good value, and then capitalized on it. Drafting a player at 15 was a big part of what happened in Boston.
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Also, most Jazz fans wanted to trade the NY pick for a role player because of the fact they were assuming that pick would have little value. Instead, Utah was patient and held on to it, and drafted Gordon Hayward. Draft picks can be more valuable when traded in the right deal, but it is certainly not a no brainer to assume they will have little value.

 

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No, it's not always a no brainer. All trades are not created equal, and sometimes you are better off keeping your pick and taking your chances on drafting a player. I am a big supporter of Boston's rebuild model, but there are many variables in making something like that happen. Al Jefferson was the main piece in the deal for KG, and he was drafted at 15. Now, according to your line of thinking, Boston should have dumped that worthless #15 for a player coming off a bad year and had one year left on their contract, right? Instead, Boston drafted a good player at 15, developed him enough to the point he had good value, and then capitalized on it. Drafting a player at 15 was a big part of what happened in Boston.
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Also, most Jazz fans wanted to trade the NY pick for a role player because of the fact they were assuming that pick would have little value. Instead, Utah was patient and held on to it, and drafted Gordon Hayward. Draft picks can be more valuable when traded in the right deal, but it is certainly not a no brainer to assume they will have little value.

I love how you keep putting words in my mouth.

Please show me where I said you should dump the #12 or the #15 just to dump it.

I've never said that.

I've said if someone offers you Barnes, or Batum, or Garnett for the #12 or the #15 pick, you trade it. You don't think twice. Barnes and Batum are better than 95% of the picks taken at 12, and Garnett is better than 99.9% of the picks at 12.

You guys keep putting words in my mouth and jumping to conclusions.

 

[Park Bites]

first Utah is not a market like Houston or Boston so that argument doesn't work.

ok if I was Utah and Portland came calling I think I would ask for cj McCollum and Batum and let them keep the 23rd. offer Burke as an option too. Leonard would be in the discussion also

 

[gregbroncs]

Rumors are out there that Boston is going to offer LaMarcus and Wes together as a package deal. What if Portland decides to blow it up if they lose LMA? They let everyone walk, trade Batum for a pick (by the way, Batum is better than anyone available at #12. I love how much people completely, irrationally, overrate draft picks). They could go into next year with Lilliard, CJ and Meyers Leonard. That isn't a bad core to build around. They would suck next year, but if they were able to get #12 from this year, then add a top 5 pick next year, they could be really, really good quickly.

Crazy how fast things can change now in the NBA.

There is a chance that we can win our division next year, depending on what happens with Durrant's injury. If he isn't 100%, are we the best team in our division?

The draft pick is irrelevant in this conversation. We don't need Batum on this roster. Getting him does nothing for this team. Burks and Hood were later draft picks than we now have and I'd not trade either of them for Batum. So I see you as seriously underrating the potential of that draft pick.
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Porland would do this trade and they should. Why in the hell would the Jazz not hang up laughing?

 

[gregbroncs]

You'd trade Burks before the #12!!!!?????

I am amazed at how overvalued draft picks are. It's crazy. Odds are, the 12 pick will SUCK. If you can get an NBA player for #12, you do it.

If Portland offers Batum for #12, you take it. And you don't offer Burks.

No you don't take it. Batum does nothing but ride pine with our roster. He has less value for our team than most teams out there. He'd be at best 4th in our rotation and I think I'd rather see Ingles play over him as well. That makes him 5th on our roster for a whole **** load of money.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

I love how you keep putting words in my mouth.

Please show me where I said you should dump the #12 or the #15 just to dump it.

You guys keep putting words in my mouth and jumping to conclusions.

Fair enough, I'll try and stick strictly to the exact things you say. My responses have been directed to your repeated claims that draft picks are overrated, and that the 12 pick sucks.

I've said if someone offers you Barnes, or Batum, or Garnett for the #12 or the #15 pick, you trade it.

Once again, the centerpiece of the KG trade was Al Jefferson, who Boston DRAFTED and then developed before trading him at the optimal time. Using Boston as an example goes against your claim of draft picks being overrated. If Boston had traded that pick instead of drafting Al, it would have brought back minimal value compared to keeping it.

 

[NUMBERICA]

You'd trade Burks before the #12!!!!?????

I am amazed at how overvalued draft picks are. It's crazy.

James Dolan and Isiah Thomas think you're a ****ing genius.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Dunno what some of you are seeing in Batum. Maybe you're afraid of him nut checking you?

He's really not very good. An she's paid a ton. No thanks

Use the 12th pick to pick up a big. I like Big Frank