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da ThRONe said:
Actually there's stats that say McCollum haven't heaved the ball. Trey has two which aren't legit shot attempts.

You keep talking about one game. Where they both took the same attempts and ignoring all the other games were they haven't. I can make any case I want if I'm doing so on a one game basis. And what is "shot hunting"? You mean shooting when your hot? Trey has 30 point games.

Burke 54/40/100 McCollum 49/42/85
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Sweet what about last second on the 24 shot clock where CJ may have shot a desperation shot? You can't just say the percentages should be numbers they shouldn't. In either case the raw percentages don't tell the full story. CJ takes more threes (and more shots as you've noted). CJ's true shooting percentage is 59% Trey's is 55.6%. CJ is doing that with increased volume and generally the more shots you get the lower it goes.

I am not comparing them over one game... just simply stated Trey has never had a game like CJ had last night. Yes he's had 30 point games against teams like minny, detroit, and one good one against SA... they were never that efficient though. CJ controlled the game and deliberately got almost exactly what he wanted all night. It was just one game though I get it.

Your statement that Trey has not had freedom and intimating that we don't know what they would look like in the other team's system is pretty silly. They ran pick and roll to death and crushed us on it... I'm pretty sure Trey gets to run PnR plenty. i don't think burke sucks, but CJ is better. Last night was part of the evidence.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Not really, Nugz suck. We play Portland 3 more times and they are sure to be the main competition for the 8th seed. If we can't figure out Damian Lillard, its hello #14 pick.
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Meh... we played really ****ty last night. They were super hot... they won't always shoot that well and if they do they won't have the 8th seed it will be the 4th-6th seed.
 
Blazers call and offer CJ for Burke and we wouldn't be able to say yes fast enough. We'd figure out how to get him shots later.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Sweet what about last second on the 24 shot clock where CJ may have shot a desperation shot? You can't just say the percentages should be numbers they shouldn't. In either case the raw percentages don't tell the full story. CJ takes more threes (and more shots as you've noted). CJ's true shooting percentage is 59% Trey's is 55.6%. CJ is doing that with increased volume and generally the more shots you get the lower it goes.

I am not comparing them over one game... just simply stated Trey has never had a game like CJ had last night. Yes he's had 30 point games against teams like minny, detroit, and one good one against SA... they were never that efficient though. CJ controlled the game and deliberately got almost exactly what he wanted all night. It was just one game though I get it.

Your statement that Trey has not had freedom and intimating that we don't know what they would look like in the other team's system is pretty silly. They ran pick and roll to death and crushed us on it... I'm pretty sure Trey gets to run PnR plenty. i don't think burke sucks, but CJ is better. Last night was part of the evidence.
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How many double digit assist games does McCollum have? Shooting is not the only part of the game that matters. Trey has had a 15 assist night therefore CJ has never had a game like Trey. Neither that fact or yours makes either better or worse than the other. AS I point out they have differing skillsets.

Again this isn't a Trey vs CJ discussion. This started because someone(I believe you) said imagine if McCollum was on this team. My point was he's not going to average 23 even in the first 4-5 games because he has to share shot attempts with Favors, Hayward, Burks, Hood, and to a lesser degree Gobert,Booker, Ingles and Neto. He that's not something he has to worry about with portland. His averages aren't better than Trey's yet Trey isn't getting those shots what makes you think McCollum gets those shots this season? The idea is he's a better shooter but the stats don't agree with that.

Trey doesn't have the same freedom that McCollum has this year, again not sure how that's debatable. Trey's not getting the mins or shot attempts. Not a knock on CJ he's doing well with the freedom, but it's 5 games.

As far as last second shots that's an actual attempt in the half court and while more difficult than shooting with time it's not nearly on par with a half court heave. Please don't tell me that's the case you are trying to make?
 
da ThRONe said:
How many double digit assist games does McCollum have? Shooting is not the only part of the game that matters. Trey has had a 15 assist night therefore CJ has never had a game like Trey. Neither that fact or yours makes either better or worse than the other. AS I point out they have differing skillsets.

Again this isn't a Trey vs CJ discussion. This started because someone(I believe you) said imagine if McCollum was on this team. My point was he's not going to average 23 even in the first 4-5 games because he has to share shot attempts with Favors, Hayward, Burks, Hood, and to a lesser degree Gobert,Booker, Ingles and Neto. He that's not something he has to worry about with portland. His averages aren't better than Trey's yet Trey isn't getting those shots what makes you think McCollum gets those shots this season? The idea is he's a better shooter but the stats don't agree with that.

Trey doesn't have the same freedom that McCollum has this year, again not sure how that's debatable. Trey's not getting the mins or shot attempts. Not a knock on CJ he's doing well with the freedom, but it's 5 games.

As far as last second shots that's an actual attempt in the half court and while more difficult than shooting with time it's not nearly on par with a half court heave. Please don't tell me that's the case you are trying to make?
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And my point is that if we had CJ instead of Trey we would be better. I don't friggin care that Trey had a 15 assist game once. CJ is a combo guard and Trey is a shoot first point guard.

CJ started his career off with some injuries but was pretty good last year on a team that had a lot of options. Pretty sure he could figure out how to play with the amazing offensive options we have.

The acid test is this... Porty calls and offers CJ for Trey. Do you accept? He may not average 23 with us, but I'll bet he'd contribute more than Burke.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Blazers call and offer CJ for Burke and we wouldn't be able to say yes fast enough. We'd figure out how to get him shots later.
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No brainer. Is someone saying otherwise?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
And my point is that if we had CJ instead of Trey we would be better. I don't friggin care that Trey had a 15 assist game once. CJ is a combo guard and Trey is a shoot first point guard.

CJ started his career off with some injuries but was pretty good last year on a team that had a lot of options. Pretty sure he could figure out how to play with the amazing offensive options we have.

The acid test is this... Porty calls and offers CJ for Trey. Do you accept? He may not average 23 with us, but I'll bet he'd contribute more than Burke.
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Whether who is the better player remains to be seen. These are third year players none of them having a history of success in the league. I'd say right now McCollum is probably the consensus better prospect. Which didn't have anything to do with my original point.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
And my point is that if we had CJ instead of Trey we would be better. I don't friggin care that Trey had a 15 assist game once. CJ is a combo guard and Trey is a shoot first point guard.

CJ started his career off with some injuries but was pretty good last year on a team that had a lot of options. Pretty sure he could figure out how to play with the amazing offensive options we have.

The acid test is this... Porty calls and offers CJ for Trey. Do you accept? He may not average 23 with us, but I'll bet he'd contribute more than Burke.
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Hey high bball iq guy. You realize that they are the same thing most timnes right?
 
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