Power Tankings

[UGLI baby]

Jazz will have one of the hardest, if not the hardest (win % wise) schedules of any team in the league all season long. We are the worst team in the west. That means we have 14 teams we have to play 3-4 times that are all a higher win % then us. I guess that the lowest EC team can say this but then compare our opponents win% v. theirs. Jazz will be playing these teams are season long.

For example. Our game @ orlando is part of a 5 game road trip later this month. It is the road game after Miami. Our 1 game @ Milwuakee is the second night of a back to back. Indy the night before. We face in order Nawlins, @GST, Dallas, Portland, @Denver, Lakers, @ Minny to close out the season. That is 7 games in 11 days...against several teams angling for a playoff berth. Such as Lakers, Dallas and Minny.

The season doesn't get that much easier for Utah.

I get what Youre saying, i Just don't think it's that simple. A team that is truly tanking will lose more games than us no matter how much easier their schedule is, unless I am underestimating the measures the Jazz are willing to take to secure the tank.

I'm gonna make a thread kind of about this tonight possibly probably.


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[Stoked]

I get what Youre saying, i Just don't think it's that simple. A team that is truly tanking will lose more games than us no matter how much easier their schedule is, unless I am underestimating the measures the Jazz are willing to take to secure the tank.

I'm gonna make a thread kind of about this tonight possibly probably.


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Normally I would agree but can you really bet against a team coached by Corbin that has Biedrins and Lucas on it?

 

[UGLI baby]

Normally I would agree but can you really bet against a team coached by Corbin that has Biedrins and Lucas on it?

I sense the jokingness, but to clarify what I'm talking about is the over the top outrageous tank manuevers like the ones GST pulled a couple years ago (turning the ball over on purpose on a 5 sec count on a crunch time inbounds, pulling ALL of your good guys down the stretch). I don't see the Jazz doing that and I think some teams will.

Where it will be interesting is when 2 of those teams meet up, which is what I'm probly gonna make a thread about later.


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Jazz will have one of the hardest, if not the hardest (win % wise) schedules of any team in the league all season long. We are the worst team in the west. That means we have 14 teams we have to play 3-4 times that are all a higher win % then us. I guess that the lowest EC team can say this but then compare our opponents win% v. theirs. Jazz will be playing these teams are season long.

For example. Our game @ orlando is part of a 5 game road trip later this month. It is the road game after Miami. Our 1 game @ Milwuakee is the second night of a back to back. Indy the night before. We face in order Nawlins, @GST, Dallas, Portland, @Denver, Lakers, @ Minny to close out the season. That is 7 games in 11 days...against several teams angling for a playoff berth. Such as Lakers, Dallas and Minny.

The season doesn't get that much easier for Utah.

Add to all this:
I'm pretty sure we have the worst record against eastern conference teams of all teams in the western conference.

 

[Stoked]

Add to all this:
I'm pretty sure we have the worst record against eastern conference teams of all teams in the western conference.

Jazz are 1-5 agaisnt the EC. That includes @ Boston, @ Toronto and @ Brooklyn.

Edit: Also add in that the Jazz are already anywhere from 1-4 games further into the season than most teams and those extra games have all been Ls. Milwuakee still has 2 more chances (3 after tonight) that Utah to get a W.

 

[The Midnight]

Add to all this:
I'm pretty sure we have the worst record against eastern conference teams of all teams in the western conference.

sky's blue.

 

[BTP]

I think it's too early for Tankings. December 15 will shed some more light on the situation.
Right now, I'd say:
1) Milwaukee - Have some new and ongoing injury problems and are reportedly aggressively shopping Sanders(Seems like last years locker room reports about Sanders being the problem are accurate)
Hard to see them turn directions anytime soon and when they can do it might be so late that even their moronic owner sees the benefit of tanking.

2) Utah - Western conference, Ty Corbin, no bench, young guys are still learning to swim after being thrown in the cold water.

3) Sixers - Active in trade talks as their 25 year old trio is performing career best numbers. Also they're in full tank mode even with them.

4) Toronto - They're not going to look pretty. Too few talented and too many limited players to accidentally win games unless Kobe throws...not on purpose.

5) Orlando - They don't care too much for the top pick as they have already great players in town and just need one of the superstar potential guys. I guess they prefer Randle or Exum. During/After that they'll trade Afflalo for what's missing unless someone really wants to give up sth valuable(draft pick with lottery potential and no protection) for him as he's arguably the best SG in the east this season until now.
But as long as Oladipo getts opportunities to learn point guard in actual games they won't win anything.

6) Sacramento - Where Defense happens .... NOT! Rudy Gay is their best defender. And he's only slightly above average.

7) Boston - Can't imagine they'd really shoot for playoffs with this roster. That's not getting them anywhere unless they are confident that Rondo is coming back strong and already recruited players...Ainge also has a tanking reputation as he's done it before. So what's the deal with handing New York 40 point losses?

8) Phoenix - At some point they gotta run out of gas or cash in on their vets having good years. They are still missing the core puzzle piece to elevate them long term. Alex Len returning might turn some close wins into narrow losses.

On the outside tanking in:
-Memphis has some mysterious injury reports(stress fracture = season ending?)
-What will New Orleans do if they can't get healthy and running?
-If Minny stays healthy and has no shot at the playoffs they kinda have to do a complete roster shakeup. Tanking might be a good start while cashing in on everyone who has value...
-Cleveland doesn't matter. They may or may not make the playoffs. They'll select the wrong guy anyways unless they're top3. Sometimes even in the top3
-Charlotte wants to strengthen its brand while their namechange is undergoing. Plus they wanna become attractive for FAs and get back to the playoffs. Not sold they can do it with basically no outside shooting. The longer the season the heavier the legs and outrunning is getting harder than outgunning.
-Chicago and Washington both have incentives to tank but unless they start making moves it's hard to predict.

 

[UGLI baby]

I think it's too early for Tankings. December 15 will shed some more light on the situation.
Right now, I'd say:
1) Milwaukee - Have some new and ongoing injury problems and are reportedly aggressively shopping Sanders(Seems like last years locker room reports about Sanders being the problem are accurate)
Hard to see them turn directions anytime soon and when they can do it might be so late that even their moronic owner sees the benefit of tanking.

2) Utah - Western conference, Ty Corbin, no bench, young guys are still learning to swim after being thrown in the cold water.

3) Sixers - Active in trade talks as their 25 year old trio is performing career best numbers. Also they're in full tank mode even with them.

4) Toronto - They're not going to look pretty. Too few talented and too many limited players to accidentally win games unless Kobe throws...not on purpose.

5) Orlando - They don't care too much for the top pick as they have already great players in town and just need one of the superstar potential guys. I guess they prefer Randle or Exum. During/After that they'll trade Afflalo for what's missing unless someone really wants to give up sth valuable(draft pick with lottery potential and no protection) for him as he's arguably the best SG in the east this season until now.
But as long as Oladipo getts opportunities to learn point guard in actual games they won't win anything.

6) Sacramento - Where Defense happens .... NOT! Rudy Gay is their best defender. And he's only slightly above average.

7) Boston - Can't imagine they'd really shoot for playoffs with this roster. That's not getting them anywhere unless they are confident that Rondo is coming back strong and already recruited players...Ainge also has a tanking reputation as he's done it before. So what's the deal with handing New York 40 point losses?

8) Phoenix - At some they gotta run out of gas or cash in on their vets having good years. They are still missing the core puzzle piece to elevate them long term. Alex Len returning might turn some close wins into narrow losses.

On the outside tanking in:
-Memphis has some mysterious injury reports(stress fracture = season ending?)
-What will New Orleans do if they can't get healthy and running?
-If Minny stays healthy and has no shot at the playoffs they kinda have to do a complete roster shakeup. Tanking might be a good start while cashing in on everyone who has value...
-Cleveland doesn't matter. They may or may not make the playoffs. They'll select the wrong guy anyways unless they're top3. Sometimes even in the top3
-Charlotte wants to strengthen its brand while their namechange is undergoing. Plus they wanna get attractive and get back to the playoffs. Not sold they can do it with basically no outside shooting. The longer the season the heavier the legs and outrunning is getting harder than outgunning.
-Chicago and Washington both have incentives to tank but unless they start making moves it's hard to predict.

Pos rep for the rankings and solid analysis. Neg rep for thinking of "on the outside tanking in" before I had a chance to.

 

[UGLI baby]

BTW, I was wanting people to do their own power rankings like BTP did.

Dooooo it.

 

[fishonjazz]

BTW, I was wanting people to do their own power rankings like BTP did.

Dooooo it.

Maybe later.

I have the pacers in last place doe

 

[spycam1]

I sense the jokingness, but to clarify what I'm talking about is the over the top outrageous tank manuevers like the ones GST pulled a couple years ago (turning the ball over on purpose on a 5 sec count on a crunch time inbounds, pulling ALL of your good guys down the stretch). I don't see the Jazz doing that and I think some teams will.

Where it will be interesting is when 2 of those teams meet up, which is what I'm probly gonna make a thread about later.


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GS seems like an extreme example, though. Is it common for tankers to go THAT far?

 

[UGLI baby]

GS seems like an extreme example, though. Is it common for tankers to go THAT far?

Yeah.

I think it's very common for teams to shut down guys for the season with minor injuries and also sit key players during the 4th qtr of games.

Simmons talks about it in his articles a lot. He is one of the main writers that calls teams out when they tank.