What I worry about is not the big dogs (US, China, Russia, UK...) starting a war but a 3rd party some one is tied to. Say Poland send troops into Ukraine and ends up in a pitched battle with Russian troops? Then what?
Or the Philippines and China start having their ships fire on each other? What then?
Obama was blind sided and arranged a side meeting with Putin. The next day Putin gave him the finger and went ahead with strikes and Obama has yet to respond.
As for sanctions lol, I'm not Carly Fiorina. If anything I have been arguing that Russia is making sanctions ever less effective by its growing list of allies. (I can name 20+ nations) that have joined or are leaning towards joining Russia in flaunting any sanctions order.
Obama reduced boots on the ground but we have still been at war Revo. We haven't stopped fighting. We are fighting in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria right now! Is that all Obama? No, he inherited a lot, some would argue most, of it.
But Russia is playing a lot of these games because Obama is seen as weak. He is seen as weak because Obama takes a stance, gets called on it and folds.
He did so on Poland, the Czech and Syria just off the top of my head.
Please don't ever use Trump in applying anything to me. The man is a disgrace and the GOP should be ashamed.
Wars happen, and will happen. The world is shifting, and there will be new challenges ahead. I am just not afraid of whats to come. We cant stop countries from rising just because they arent us.
Imo we are weak, because of our inability to communicate, our love of cheap goods, and our lack of respect for each other. We arent united anymore. Or we are much less united than we used to be.
That will be our downfall. Not our leaders. They are a product of us.
Obama is seen as weak by the GOP. I dont agree that the rest of the world thinks that, or doesnt like him as a leader.
Yes, hes made some mistakes. Drawing the line in the sand with Bashar, and not responding being one. Again, I believe he asked congress for approval and was denied.
People were complaining about his abuse of power, and then when he asked they they say weak. Its not a black and white issue wouldnt you agree? Certainly he does
have a part to blame in that one.
The people I talk to in Europe really only dislike his liberal use of drones. When the GOP keeps saying the world doesnt respect Obama, and they are laughing at us.
That is their option, and I think its complete BS. I think they are laughing at people like Trump and Bush. Europe doesnt like aggressive foreign policy, and is far more
like Obama than what the Republican party is these days.
The whole boots on the ground thing is very debatable. I agree its a grey issue, and Im not sure exactly what we should do(should have done). From every single solider I have talked to in Germany that has been an
Iraq war vet they have all said we should get out(and stay out!). We cannot change them. Its pointless to support these different groups who one day are on your side, and one day
are against you. They arent our friends. I trust the people that have actually been there. I do really respect Rand Paul who says we should be careful about replacing
Dictators because the vacuum it creates usually is filled by someone worse. He said some interesting things in that last debate. Sadam basically held Iran at bay.
Now that the ****es are in control they're ties to Iran are much stronger. When we came in it disrupted the natural balance of things. Talk about a massive foreign policy
failure. That my friend is what weakness is. The loss of life, the the loss of billions of dollars. Complete and utter chaos!
The big question is what should we do. Stay in Iraq forever? Its a tough call because if we stay we could prevent ISIS from taking so much control. We also spend money
we dont have, and lose American lives for imo not a good enough reason. I believe that whenever we left Iraq this situation would have occurred. Certainly for the next 15 years.
Is it worth that investment? Its debatable for sure. Should we have left bases all of Iraq, and waited decades until it was safer for us to leave?
Sorry Stoked for the long response I love talking about this current crisis. You are a moderate reasonable conservative, and I enjoy having these discussions with you. Kind of
hard over the internet, but I certainly do enjoying hearing your point of view. I dont want to come across as an *******. I believe strongly in my views, and I think Ive done a lot
of research to give me me a broad perspective. You know Im not a blind liberal who is against everything the right says. You know I dislike Hillary, and think Bill was overrated. I do really like Obama, and think hes a lot better than the Clintons, but not without fault. No one is or ever will be. I long for the 80s when the dems and reps at least had an air of mutual respect, and seemed like they were on the same team(just with different
ideas). Now we are inundated with childish insults, and soundbite attacks. Its disgusting.
