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Question about LDS Church after Smith's death.

Just some teaching on biblical predestination Colton. It's a good read.

https://carm.org/predestination-biblical-teaching

As for some of the other stuff you said, look at Jeremiah: "5 Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I consecrated you;
I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Sounds like he was predestined, huh? Elect, chosen, before he was born.
 
Howard said:
Now I'll say this again, because it seems to get forgotten continually...if you claim to have faith, but your works do not show that, then you do not have faith. You cannot have true faith without works. But we can have works without faith. There are many people who do good that are not saved. So what does this tell us? Works do not save, but faith does. Works are just evidence. We absolutely need works, but it's not so that we can earn anything by them.
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Watch out guis!!! The transitive property is upon us!!!!!
 
dalamon said:
That is not for you, or any human on this earth to claim as knowing. Sacrilege to think otherwise, pretty much across all Abrahamic monotheistic faiths.
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I wouldn't claim that I know who they are, but no, it's not sacrilegious to claim. Unless you think Jesus was sacrilegious. "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through Me."

There are good people who don't follow Jesus Dala, is it sacrilegious to say they won't be saved?
 
This just makes me think of the VAST majority of people that existed on this planet and never knew who Jesus was, or never accepted him or had an opportunity to. It seems to me that a God who would condemn those billions simply for not being born at the right time or in the right place doesn't love his children very much.
 
Howard said:
I wouldn't claim that I know who they are, but no, it's not sacrilegious to claim. Unless you think Jesus was sacrilegious. "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through Me."

There are good people who don't follow Jesus Dala, is it sacrilegious to say they won't be saved?
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It is sacrilegious to definitively state that you as a human knows precisely who will and won't be saved. Period. You can have intuition, and you can act on intuition to behave in manners that you think will make God most proud of you as His son-- but that's all it is. Inspired intuition. To think it's anything more than that is sacrilegious.

Also, I don't follow 'Jesus'-- the symbol of trinity is one that doesn't resonate with me. I follow God.
 
dalamon said:
It is sacrilegious to definitively state that you as a human knows precisely who will and won't be saved. Period. You can have intuition, and you can act on intuition to behave in manners that you think will make God most proud of you as His son-- but that's all it is. Inspired intuition. To think it's anything more than that is sacrilegious.

Also, I don't follow 'Jesus'-- the symbol of trinity is one that doesn't resonate with me. I follow God.
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I've never said I know who will or who won't be saved. With that said, I can still figure some things out based on what the Bible says.
 
Howard said:
I've never said I know who will or who won't be saved. With that said, I can still figure some things out based on what the Bible says.
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You imply that when you say "He won't be saved". Big difference from "I don't think he'll be saved".


You think you can figure some things out. Don't conflate your abilities and responsibilities with a deity (at least IMO).
 
dalamon said:
You imply that when you say "He won't be saved". Big difference from "I don't think he'll be saved".


You think you can figure some things out. Don't conflate your abilities and responsibilities with a deity (at least IMO).
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Dude, what are you talking about? I never said "He won't be saved." I said there are people who do good works who won't be saved. I made it a general phrase exactly because of what you're talking about. Because I do not have the ability to know who will or won't be saved on a specific basis.
 
Howard said:
I do not have the ability to know who will or won't be saved on a specific basis.
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I do.
Me and the big woman up in heaven speak on the regular.
You are safe. She tells me in visions that you are misguided, but mean well so you get in.

 
Howard said:
I've never said I know who will or who won't be saved. With that said, I can still figure some things out based on what the Bible says.
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Your enslavement to text-based interpretations as a key to "divine" truths is..... welll...... I'm going to go with sad. Books don't have to be slavers.
 
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