Sometimes, sure. However, there are plenty of times when we all do things knowing it's wrong. I guess what I meant was, never consciously run to the devil.
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Sometimes, sure. However, there are plenty of times when we all do things knowing it's wrong. I guess what I meant was, never consciously run to the devil.
So basically you are saying you do not believe Christ existed... or that he was the Son of God because you do not believe that God would have any similar characteristics as a human would?
This is why you threw the word allegedly into my post all over the place, you don't believe it because you cannot reconcile a Son of God coming down and living among humans and exhibiting some human like characteristics?
How about you think about it backwards then. If God is our Father, then to me it makes sense, that as his children we would have at least some of His characteristics. I say we have some of His characteristics, to go along with any other characteristics we pick up.
It's okay if we disagree.
Wrong and wrong.
I'm pretty sure Spazz is saying he needs to be Christlike by going into the poker den of wolves and preaching repentance.
I'd rather go and just take up an offering.
CONAN
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My bad. You were speaking a lot for me so I just made that assumption.
Duck Rodgers
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Jesus' socializing was always a main complaint. The religious class thought he was too worldly. John the Baptist didn't easily accept him at times due to percieved worldliness and the contrast of the life he lived to John's own even after God showed approval for him and he had witnessed Christ in person. Of course, socializing and partying and the like were not the same today as then. We're talking feasts and a little dancing at weddings and what not. He was a sinless man. I'm not putting the example of Christ going about in his day up against what's acceptable for Christians to be exposed to today. They are different worlds. Christ gave us this little tool....himself....his spirit.....inside of us....to help us deal with modern circumstances. If Las Vegas or Gameface's basement makes you feel like you died inside...by all means stay away. I'd just find it a bit peculiar.
But still, there something deeply seeded that those people were having issues about Jesus. It wasn't a one time event. He didn't turn water into wine and then stop socializing beyond his ministry. He was likely out and about(whatever that meant back then) a fair amount . And when you say he didn't he seek it out, he was pretty popular. He got invited to things and he went to things. That's all we know. He could've not shown up to anything. We can easily extrapolate from what's there that he probably did a lot more preaching/teaching/healing than was ever mentioned and he probably was in on many more social occasions setting a good example. And who knows what exactly he was doing during the preparatory years. Working, socializing, learning are probably some safe generalities. Maybe a bit of travel. He was human after all.
Bottom line, I don't care. If you can "breath fire" and convert people....then that's probably what you were meant to do.
If you have to go Thomas Kempis on the world and live a more secluded life to feel at ease with God, then that's what you were probably meant to do. He was a big part in my conversion. If he didn't accept living a monastic life and write/gather Imitation of Christ, I might not be a Christian right now. Probably loads of others too. But I don't feel like I need to go about life in the same way that Kempis was advocating even though it touched me greatly. It's not me. The LDS version of Christianty didn't work in my life either, even though I like large swathes of the Book of Mormon.
Maybe these people that seem to fear every situation and place that doesn't fit into their view of acceptable are supposed to feel that way. In my experience, the exact opposite occurs when you come unto Christ though. The world expands, not shrinks. And It starts contracting again when you get off course. You start functioning a lot better in hostile situations. I guess I can just consider myself lucky in that regard if that's not the common experience.
But still, there something deeply seeded that those people were having issues about Jesus. It wasn't a one time event. He didn't turn water into wine and then stop socializing beyond his ministry. He was likely out and about(whatever that meant back then) a fair amount . And when you say he didn't he seek it out, he was pretty popular. He got invited to things and he went to things. That's all we know. He could've not shown up to anything. We can easily extrapolate from what's there that he probably did a lot more preaching/teaching/healing than was ever mentioned and he probably was in on many more social occasions setting a good example. And who knows what exactly he was doing during the preparatory years. Working, socializing, learning are probably some safe generalities. Maybe a bit of travel. He was human after all.
Bottom line, I don't care. If you can "breath fire" and convert people....then that's probably what you were meant to do.
If you have to go Thomas Kempis on the world and live a more secluded life to feel at ease with God, then that's what you were probably meant to do. He was a big part in my conversion. If he didn't accept living a monastic life and write/gather Imitation of Christ, I might not be a Christian right now. Probably loads of others too. But I don't feel like I need to go about life in the same way that Kempis was advocating even though it touched me greatly. It's not me. The LDS version of Christianty didn't work in my life either, even though I like large swathes of the Book of Mormon.
Maybe these people that seem to fear every situation and place that doesn't fit into their view of acceptable are supposed to feel that way. In my experience, the exact opposite occurs when you come unto Christ though. The world expands, not shrinks. And It starts contracting again when you get off course. You start functioning a lot better in hostile situations. I guess I can just consider myself lucky in that regard if that's not the common experience.
CONAN
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That would suck
I made one guess (and noted it as a guess) based off a pattern. That is not speaking for you.
NAOS
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Yes, we can disagree.
And, how could I possibly be ignorant of ^that^ argument? It's everywhere.
Hey I'm not going to assume you know or believe anything.
We can both think the other person is crazy. And the I don't believe God is our Father argument is everywhere too. Maybe even more these days.
NAOS
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It's safe to assume that anybody who has read a book or two has come into contact with Christian-based parables and narratives. God the Father is at the very root of that stuff.
Also, despite Anglo-american belief in religious decline, the world has seen a massive uptick in religious activity over the past 30 years. Pentecostalism (loosely conceived) is set to become the world's biggest religion within a couple of decades... with GOD THE FATHER going along with it.