Quit overrating the 12 pick. It sucks.

[LogGrad98]

 

[Gameface]

Stop exaggerating. It was 18 tops. You and your hyperbole.

busted

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I find it interesting when we use draft position as some historical precedent that's a marker for future expectation. A more accurate assessment is to look at who has been drafted at 12 or beyond to have an idea of what kind of talent is on the board. For instance, Batum was the 25th pick; would we have a better chance landing a Batum with that draft position than with a #12?

I agree with this comment, up to a point. The reason I am not in 100% agreement is that many players taken after 12 would never have been taken at 12, or thereabouts. Those take after 12 and who have been solid rotation players have way outperformed expectations. For example, were the 2013 draft done again, does anyone doubt that Gobert would be a top 5 pick and possibly higher? Yet, there's no way he would have been taken anywhere near 12 with what was known about him at the time. Had the Jazz drafted him as high as 12, it would have been roundly criticized at the time as a bad pick, although in hindsight a very good one. Players are drafted in line with expectations of future performance, so only players with 12th pick potential (give or take) are the comparison group here. So, better said, "a more accurate assessment is to look at who has been drafted at 12, give or take X, to have an idea of what kind of talent is on the board."

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I agree with this comment, up to a point. The reason I am not in 100% agreement is that many players taken after 12 would never have been taken at 12, or thereabouts. Those take after 12 and who have been solid rotation players have way outperformed expectations. For example, were the 2013 draft done again, does anyone doubt that Gobert would be a top 5 pick and possibly higher? Yet, there's no way he would have been taken anywhere near 12 with what was known about him at the time. Had the Jazz drafted him as high as 12, it would have been roundly criticized at the time as a bad pick, although in hindsight a very good one. Players are drafted in line with expectations of future performance, so only players with 12th pick potential (give or take) are the comparison group here. So, better said, "a more accurate assessment is to look at who has been drafted at 12, give or take X, to have an idea of what kind of talent is on the board."

When the Jazz took Stockton it surprised everybody because he was slotted in much, much lower. The point is it can happen, and it can work out. No doubt that it takes guts, though. If you pick the guy everyone thought you should at 12 and it doesn't work out, no big deal. If you pick a guy at 12 who was slotted in the 20s and it doesn't work out you get major criticism... especially if someone you left on the board blossoms.

I hope our current front office has the guts to risk drafting someone higher than the general consensus. If they do so I trust their decision. This team continues to invest heavily in scouting. I believe that having a different assessment about a given player than most people should be one of the expected outcomes. Their success with late draft picks is proof that they are skilled at spotting talent.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

My issue is not with trading the pick it's with trading the pick for the players suggested in original post. Both are FA next year in an environment where every team will have max cap space. If we trade the pick for a proven player they need to be under contract for at least two years IMO.

 

[mellow]

Why is everyone worrying about the 12th pick? Jazz are winning the lottery. Top 3 pick baby.

It probably happend like this: Adam Silver made a deal with the jazz last year. They wanted Jabbari, but the new owners in Milwaukee thought they needed him. So the jazz were told, sorry Milwaukee gets Jabbari but we will hook you up next year.

 

[nightmare3983]

I find it interesting when we use draft position as some historical precedent that's a marker for future expectation. A more accurate assessment is to look at who has been drafted at 12 or beyond to have an idea of what kind of talent is on the board. For instance, Batum was the 25th pick; would we have a better chance landing a Batum with that draft position than with a #12?

I couldn't agree with this more.