Racism and privilege

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Yes, you brought up King to tell me why he was great, and that I chould change my message to be more like King's. My response was that you didn't have the background to understand what King was saying.

Right because I'm white.

Call me on what, precisely?

You said I wasn't black enough to do so.(see above) You knew that though.

What part of that statement becomes more or less correct depending upon my race?

You know very well that you're statement is you making my race an issue. Ergo your race becomes an issue.

P.S., I haven't changed my sentiments. If you agree with the recent ones, you agree with the previous ones. At most, I've changed the examples. and continued the conversation.

Yes you have. The second your race comes into question it becomes irrelevant. While I don't agree with your tactic I do agree that it isn't generally relevant, however you made it so by making the race of others a talking point.

 

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So i said the same thing 4 times in that one post.

No need to dodge any longer.

Either you are wrong now and an individuals race is relevant or you were wrong before and it isn't.

 

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So i said the same thing 4 times in that one post.

No need to dodge any longer.

Either you are wrong now and an individuals race is relevant or you were wrong before and it isn't.

Because it can't possibly be relevant in some situations, but not others?

If I were trying to tell you what King, or X, or Thurmond meant, my race would matter, because it might hinder my ability to understand them (along with so many other circumstances that limit this ability). You'll never see me telling you what Gloria Steinem meant by her words, for example.

Now, which of my assertions fall into this category? If you can find one, then I'll tell you my race.

 

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Because it can't possibly be relevant in some situations, but not others?

If I were trying to tell you what King, or X, or Thurmond meant, my race would matter, because it might hinder my ability to understand them (along with so many other circumstances that limit this ability). You'll never see me telling you what Gloria Steinem meant by her words, for example.

Now, which of my assertions fall into this category? If you can find one, then I'll tell you my race.

Honestly, I don't give a **** what your race is.

You went beyond saying that my race was relevant there. You said that my thoughts on the matter were irrelevant only because of my race. You did not challenge the content of my argument your only qualifier was the color of my skin.

I really wouldn't change my opinion of your posts based on your race(whatever exactly it may be). I do find it troublesome however that you so quickly judge me in that regard.

Good day to you

 

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You went beyond saying that my race was relevant there. You said that my thoughts on the matter were irrelevant only because of my race. You did not challenge the content of my argument your only qualifier was the color of my skin.

If you're ever in a position where being white puts in a disadvantaged societal position, you'll have a better understanding of King.

However, did you really want to talk about the "content" of your argument regarding why King was a great man? Should I pull out the fiery speeches, the recriminations, the ones where he talks about repression? What I said was the more polite version of what I felt. For example, I could have said that you were being a total jerk by trying to silence rhetoric using words from a man you obviously haven't studied in any detail and don't have the slightest inkling of what he meant or stood for, and were doing it for the completely selfish reason of trying to keep from reading words that you didn't like. Instead, I offered a mildly-worded caution that people might take your opinion as being less than authoritative.

I would carefully consider what several different white people might say about King. For example. Brian Lynchehaun posts carefully considered and knowledgeable thoughts on social justice issues from time to time. You are not on that list.

I do find it troublesome however that you so quickly judge me in that regard.

I didn't judge you at all. I pointed out that I accept your take on King as being authoritative, and that you weren't in a good position to understand King. You seem to have hurt feeling, perhaps because you are so used to having your uninformed opinions treated as being worthwhile, which would be a measure of how much your uninformed opinions have been accepted in the past, aka, a measure of your privilege.

 

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https://gawker.com/teaching-while-black-and-blue-1473659925

Isn't it interesting how posting this link became a discussion of my race, and not about the experiences of the teacher or her students.

 

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If you're ever in a position where being white puts in a disadvantaged societal position, you'll have a better understanding of King.

However, did you really want to talk about the "content" of your argument regarding why King was a great man? Should I pull out the fiery speeches, the recriminations, the ones where he talks about repression? What I said was the more polite version of what I felt. For example, I could have said that you were being a total jerk by trying to silence rhetoric using words from a man you obviously haven't studied in any detail and don't have the slightest inkling of what he meant or stood for, and were doing it for the completely selfish reason of trying to keep from reading words that you didn't like. Instead, I offered a mildly-worded caution that people might take your opinion as being less than authoritative.

I would carefully consider what several different white people might say about King. For example. Brian Lynchehaun posts carefully considered and knowledgeable thoughts on social justice issues from time to time. You are not on that list.



I didn't judge you at all. I pointed out that I accept your take on King as being authoritative, and that you weren't in a good position to understand King. That you are so used to having your uninformed opinions treated as being worthwhile is a measure of how much your uninformed opinions have been accepted in the past, aka, a measure of your privilege.

Still ^ all of this is an attack on me and has nothing to do with what I said. Everyone that has challenged you you dismis as either inherently racist or ignorant.

You bitch and have nothing proactive to offer. My argument was essentially that king was great because he actually tried to change ****. How is this any less true of a statement if I am black or I am white.

You're a hypocrite and you know it.

 

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Isn't it interesting how posting this link became a discussion of my race, and not about the experiences of the teacher or her students.

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Your race isn't an issue.

Only our races are.

 

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Still ^ all of this is an attack on me and has nothing to do with what I said. Everyone that has challenged you you dismis as either inherently racist or ignorant.

None of that is an attack on you. It's a couple of conclusions based on your posts. No one expects you to have studied everything.

You bitch and have nothing proactive to offer.

Pages ago, when you (and earlier LogGrad98) asked for things you could do, I started a discussion by offering suggestions. I had some small hope one of you might continue that discussion, but I got crickets in response to it, and you both went back to denial and obfuscation. If you really want to talk about changes, we can talk changes. So far, the evidence indicates you want to whine for a cookie and blame the messenger.

My argument was essentially that king was great because he actually tried to change ****. How is this any less true of a statement if I am black or I am white.

If that was all you had meant, I would have agreed. One of the reasons King was great was because of the enormous amount of work he put in, of course.

However, that wasn't the entirety what you were saying, or of how you used King in your post. Perhaps you've forgotten, but you were trying to tell me that I should behave more like King if I wanted to persuade people. I doubt you are so obtuse that you don't know the difference.

 

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What a surprise.

Your race isn't an issue.

Only our races are.

I deal with the issues of my race every day. I'm still waiting to hear one reason from you why it's relevant to any of my points, and if not, why you want to know.

 

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Send me a PM or an email telling me how you came to that conclusion. If I'm white, I'd like to improve the confusion. If not, I'd like to know why you think I am.

I dunno Eric, my PM inbox is always full and stuff so I dunno

 

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I deal with the issues of my race every day. I'm still waiting to hear one reason from you why it's relevant to any of my points, and if not, why you want to know.

I've already told you, I don't find it relevant. You frame your arguments in a way as to make it so.