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Rare bright spot in this awful season... Trey Burke's vs GSW

cowhide said:
I have laughed at the love/hate relationship many Jazz fans have with Trey Burke. I wasn't on the Burke bandwagon before the draft. I liked him but I wasn't as excited as most Jazz fans were. I was upset that we gave away two picks to get him but even in summer league I thought he would be a decent player. Jazz fans who say he doesn't want to pass haven't notice how little he has the ball in his hands. Hopefully the next coach realizes he is a very good PG and lets him be the PG. I think he can average in 9+ assists if he is allowed to be the main distributor.

I didn't watch the GS game but after watching the highlights you would have thought the game was closer. My main concern with this team is DEFENSE. Great teams play very good/great defense. The Jazz have a long way to go before they are contenders if they don't learn how to play better TEAM defense. However, I think Trey is certainly capable of being the team leader and improving his defense too. Unfortunately with the new rules it makes it much harder on players to be good defenders and that is why teams have to learn how to help each other out.
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warriors are worst nightmare. when they are making shots, there is nothing we can do to slow them down. we looked friggin lost. we were trading buckets. we score 2. and they drop 2 3's back to back. lol

maybe we really need to go get aaron gordon. we need somebody who can be our defensive leader. 1 nasty defender helps others tremendously.
 
Fabtrey said:
warriors are worst nightmare. when they are making shots, there is nothing we can do to slow them down. we looked friggin lost. we were trading buckets. we score 2. and they drop 2 3's back to back. lol

maybe we really need to go get aaron gordon. we need somebody who can be our defensive leader. 1 nasty defender helps others tremendously.
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This isn't a bad lineup:

Burke
Burks
Gordon
Favors
2015 top 3 pick
 
I'm much more worried about Burke's defense than his offense.

His offense will come around, I'm sure his defense ever will.
 
green said:
This isn't a bad lineup:

Burke
Burks
Gordon
Favors
2015 top 3 pick
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Honestly Burke/Burks/Hayward isn't a great group on the floor together. Burks need to fill the 6th man role. Where he can come in and do want he wants with the 2nd group. As for Hayward he fits as a stater if he can improve as a spot up shooter. Honestly I would look to trade him. Kanter and Favors can play together but if that's the case you want defensives wings that can space the floor. The pnr game with Burke and Favors and the pick and pop game with Burke and Kanter can be deadly with floor spacers at the 2 and 3. Especially if they are quality defenders.
 
Hantlers said:
I'm much more worried about Burke's defense than his offense.

His offense will come around, I'm sure his defense ever will.
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I think he can get to an acceptable level on D. I'm mostly disturbed with his low steal rate. He has such good instincts and long arms I thought it would equal more steals but he really doesn't gamble. Which would be a good thing if he was a good on ball defender instead of average and a decent PNR defender instead of a bad one. Honestly you rather him gamble more on defense. I think the biggest problem with Burke is conditioning couple with a lack of understanding the importance of defense. Some players you look at and say he doesn't have the foot speed. With Trey a lot of times he isn't trying to fight over screens that's a lack of technique and worsely a lack of effort.
 
da ThRONe said:
Honestly Burke/Burks/Hayward isn't a great group on the floor together. Burks need to fill the 6th man role. Where he can come in and do want he wants with the 2nd group. As for Hayward he fits as a stater if he can improve as a spot up shooter. Honestly I would look to trade him. Kanter and Favors can play together but if that's the case you want defensives wings that can space the floor. The pnr game with Burke and Favors and the pick and pop game with Burke and Kanter can be deadly with floor spacers at the 2 and 3. Especially if they are quality defenders.
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I personally disagree for a couple reasons. One we haven't even seen what they can do starting together. Two I don't see why a slashing Burks can't break down the defense and throw it out to hayward and Burke. I actually really want to see they could do. It would probably take a lot of pressure off of Hayward too.
 
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Fabtrey said:
warriors are worst nightmare. when they are making shots, there is nothing we can do to slow them down. we looked friggin lost. we were trading buckets. we score 2. and they drop 2 3's back to back. lol

maybe we really need to go get aaron gordon. we need somebody who can be our defensive leader. 1 nasty defender helps others tremendously.
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Except when you're in a close game that's down to the wire, you really can't have a guy who isn't gonna knock down FTs.


Did you see that GSW/DAL game last week that went into OT? Carlisle decided not to play Marion AT ALL in the OT. One can only guess what that reason may be... I guess would be due to him not being able to shoot/score.
 
da ThRONe said:
Honestly Burke/Burks/Hayward isn't a great group on the floor together. Burks need to fill the 6th man role. Where he can come in and do want he wants with the 2nd group. As for Hayward he fits as a stater if he can improve as a spot up shooter. Honestly I would look to trade him. Kanter and Favors can play together but if that's the case you want defensives wings that can space the floor. The pnr game with Burke and Favors and the pick and pop game with Burke and Kanter can be deadly with floor spacers at the 2 and 3. Especially if they are quality defenders.
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so you want the best player on this team to be the 6th man.

let me repat the firgging best player on this team to be 6th man.

gee chicago would have won 20 rings if jordan was 6th man

lakers would have won 40 rings if kobe and shaq where 6th men

stfu and gtfo please
 
DutchJazzer said:
so you want the best player on this team to be the 6th man.

let me repat the firgging best player on this team to be 6th man.

gee chicago would have won 20 rings if jordan was 6th man

lakers would have won 40 rings if kobe and shaq where 6th men

stfu and gtfo please
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James "friggin" Harden was a sixth man. Not to mention Manu "3X champion" Ginobili was a 6th man.

If Burks is the best player on a team that team is going no where. He's a good player but to think he compares to Kobe, Shaq, or Michael isn't even worth discussing. If he were to get on Harden or Ginobili level I'd be shocked.
 
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