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Reading the Bible in School

I know we have some teachers in here, how would you guys have handled this situation? Was the teacher in the right, or no? Just curious what y'all thought. And yes OB, even you're encouraged to respond.

https://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/05/05/teachers-ban-on-reading-bibles-in-class-sparks-protest-change/

Well, it depends. If it was actually during free reading time then I have a problem with the teacher. However, if it was during assigned reading time and he was given a book to read just like any other student then I have to side with the teacher. It seems like both sides can't agree what they are arguing about. I would also have a problem if the kid started reading it out loud or started preaching.

I think the father is wrong about his constitutional rights don't leave his son when he goes to school. I was told by a lawyer that (at least in the state of NH) once your kid gets on the bus he/she is basically the responsibility of the school. The schools have a lot of leverage when it comes to disciplining your kids. I have also read cases where the law has sided with schools about banning certain banners that kids put up at games or dances.
 
Anybody know of any books, or even websites(Google is not really helping find any too interesting), that go in-depth about comparing average(as best as you can I guess) day-to-day life a student in different eras? The curriculum shifts seem to be well documented, and the shady characters behind that, but not any context for what happened from a individual perspective. What was this person allowed to do at recess? Allowed to read? Allowed to wear to school? What were lunch periods like. Dances? What clubs were allowed? What were the attendance policies? What was the limit to be thrown in In school suspension? What was it like having no policeman in the halls? No security cameras? Not needing parking permits or having the parking lots closed up during school so you can't leave? And on and on and on. Might be worth hanging onto those memories. Because really, outside of the Tom Sawyer getting flogged type schooling experience, and some stories about schooling life leading up to Brown v. Board from one perspective, what really carries on in the American public consciousness concerning the schooling experience? You are born in a certain time, programmed a certain way by your schooling experiences, you just think that's the way it is/or has to be.....I didn't realize so many things until a few years ago whenever I would talk to my dad about articles like this....he would give his 1960-70's L.A. public school boy perspective. Just completely different.

Public school sounds much worse to me now and I'm only about a decade removed from the system. Some of that is curriculum related, some control related, and a bit to do with the ubiquity of phones now and what that all entails. Straight nightmare.
 
I know we have some teachers in here, how would you guys have handled this situation? Was the teacher in the right, or no? Just curious what y'all thought. And yes OB, even you're encouraged to respond.

https://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/05/05/teachers-ban-on-reading-bibles-in-class-sparks-protest-change/

First, I am really curious what sort of Bible would be the favorite book of a fifth-grader.

Second, so many of these stories get distorted by those looking to be treated favorably. Perhaps this time, the Christian parent is telling the complete truth, but I've seen so many times where that didn't happen that I am doubtful.

If it's a truly free reading time where the child can read anything at all, including material brought from home, then the teacher is wrong. If it is a free reading time from a group of books on a list or a shelf, the teacher is correct.
 
Public school sounds much worse to me now and I'm only about a decade removed from the system. Some of that is curriculum related, some control related, and a bit to do with the ubiquity of phones now and what that all entails. Straight nightmare.

A lot of this is the nostalgia effect; we prefer positive memories to negative memories, and that colors our perceptions over time.
 
I do not have a problem with kid reading Bible, Quran, Book of Mormon or Satanic bible on his free time. Whatever makes him happy to read. Better than he would have his nose stuck into Ipad playing Minecraft or Sims.
 
Since so many see the Bible as a work of fiction, what's the problem with reading it at school?


Seriously, it sounds like the parent is using the child to advance his own agenda and beliefs. As a religious person, I encourage my daughter to read scriptures. But I would discourage her from reading them in class, whether it's "free" reading time or not. "The Broward School District claimed it was told Giovanni was reading the Bible when he should have been reading an assigned book, not during free-reading time. The district stressed that any student may read the Bible, or any other religious book, during free time." IMO, this is perfectly acceptable to be allowed to read a religious book before/after school or during lunch. My daughter could use her lunch time to read (or before school after she gets off the bus). But I'd much rather have her on the playground being active and social during those periods. She has plenty of time at home to read the Bible after homework is done, and/or on the weekends.

It does sound like the teacher tried to amicably resolve this situation evidenced by her voice mail: “Good morning, Mr. Rubeo,” says a woman. “Giovanni called you because I asked him to. I noticed that he had a book, a religious book, in the classroom. He’s not permitted to read those books in my classroom. He said if I told him to put it away, you said not to do that. So please give me a call. I need to have some understanding on direction to him about the book he’s reading opposed to the curriculum for public school. Ms. S. Thomas. Thank you. Have a wonderful day. Bye, bye.”

Have no idea of the belief system of the teacher, and I refuse to judge her based on her "winner" of a husband who responded with profanity to the reporter. Again, though, I consider myself a fairly religious person. But I am bothered by those who are "in-your-face" with their religion or other beliefs, especially when they use their children as the weapon of choice. There are wonderful books this child should be reading at school, both fiction and non-fiction. And some even have religious symbolism, like C.S. Lewis' The Chronicles of Narnia series. Instead of berating the school district, the father should be encouraging his son to read other good books as well as the "Good Book."
 
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People usually don't like when camera crews show up to their house to bother them.

I'd be less than pleasant about people showing up to bother my wife and daugthers. Cy has a point here.

Edit: I've long been a fan of kids having 5 minutes of "quiet time" at the start of each school day where they can do what they wish. Read, pray, relax, flirt, homework, sit and wait... as long as it is quiet. I think a scenario like this would solve a lot of problems. Thoughts?
 
I've long been a fan of kids having 5 minutes of "quiet time" at the start of each school day where they can do what they wish. Read, pray, relax, flirt, homework, sit and wait... as long as it is quiet. I think a scenario like this would solve a lot of problems. Thoughts?

What problem would this solve exactly?
 
Since so many see the Bible as a work of fiction, what's the problem with reading it at school?


Seriously, it sounds like the parent is using the child to advance his own agenda and beliefs. As a religious person, I encourage my daughter to read scriptures. But I would discourage her from reading them in class, whether it's "free" reading time or not. "The Broward School District claimed it was told Giovanni was reading the Bible when he should have been reading an assigned book, not during free-reading time. The district stressed that any student may read the Bible, or any other religious book, during free time." IMO, this is perfectly acceptable to be allowed to read a religious book before/after school or during lunch. My daughter could use her lunch time to read (or before school after she gets off the bus). But I'd much rather have her on the playground being active and social during those periods. She has plenty of time at home to read the Bible after homework is done, and/or on the weekends.

It does sound like the teacher tried to amicably resolve this situation evidenced by her voice mail: “Good morning, Mr. Rubeo,” says a woman. “Giovanni called you because I asked him to. I noticed that he had a book, a religious book, in the classroom. He’s not permitted to read those books in my classroom. He said if I told him to put it away, you said not to do that. So please give me a call. I need to have some understanding on direction to him about the book he’s reading opposed to the curriculum for public school. Ms. S. Thomas. Thank you. Have a wonderful day. Bye, bye.”

Have no idea of the belief system of the teacher, and I refuse to judge her based on her "winner" of a husband who responded with profanity to the reporter. Again, though, I consider myself a fairly religious person. But I am bothered by those who are "in-your-face" with their religion or other beliefs, especially when they use their children as the weapon of choice. There are wonderful books this child should be reading at school, both fiction and non-fiction. And some even have religious symbolism, like C.S. Lewis' The Chronicles of Narnia series. Instead of berating the school district, the father should be encouraging his son to read other good books as well as the "Good Book."

Nice comments. I think the telling part is the boy was told by his not to put it away so it could have been a religious father using his child to make a statement and then scream to the school his first amendment rights are being taken away. However, I think people love drama so they get all offended easily. The husband reacts was way over the top. Also the teacher could have been a little more specific regarding if it was actually free reading or not.
 
I'd be less than pleasant about people showing up to bother my wife and daugthers. Cy has a point here.

Edit: I've long been a fan of kids having 5 minutes of "quiet time" at the start of each school day where they can do what they wish. Read, pray, relax, flirt, homework, sit and wait... as long as it is quiet. I think a scenario like this would solve a lot of problems. Thoughts?

Have you ever been a teacher? Trying to keep kids quiet for 5 minutes is not exactly easy. I don't know how this would have prevented this situation, better communication would most definitely have helped.
 
Since so many see the Bible as a work of fiction, what's the problem with reading it at school?


Seriously, it sounds like the parent is using the child to advance his own agenda and beliefs. As a religious person, I encourage my daughter to read scriptures. But I would discourage her from reading them in class, whether it's "free" reading time or not. "The Broward School District claimed it was told Giovanni was reading the Bible when he should have been reading an assigned book, not during free-reading time. The district stressed that any student may read the Bible, or any other religious book, during free time." IMO, this is perfectly acceptable to be allowed to read a religious book before/after school or during lunch. My daughter could use her lunch time to read (or before school after she gets off the bus). But I'd much rather have her on the playground being active and social during those periods. She has plenty of time at home to read the Bible after homework is done, and/or on the weekends.

It does sound like the teacher tried to amicably resolve this situation evidenced by her voice mail: “Good morning, Mr. Rubeo,” says a woman. “Giovanni called you because I asked him to. I noticed that he had a book, a religious book, in the classroom. He’s not permitted to read those books in my classroom. He said if I told him to put it away, you said not to do that. So please give me a call. I need to have some understanding on direction to him about the book he’s reading opposed to the curriculum for public school. Ms. S. Thomas. Thank you. Have a wonderful day. Bye, bye.”

Have no idea of the belief system of the teacher, and I refuse to judge her based on her "winner" of a husband who responded with profanity to the reporter. Again, though, I consider myself a fairly religious person. But I am bothered by those who are "in-your-face" with their religion or other beliefs, especially when they use their children as the weapon of choice. There are wonderful books this child should be reading at school, both fiction and non-fiction. And some even have religious symbolism, like C.S. Lewis' The Chronicles of Narnia series. Instead of berating the school district, the father should be encouraging his son to read other good books as well as the "Good Book."

The teacher was in the wrong evidenced by her voice mail: “Good morning, Mr. Rubeo,” says a woman. “Giovanni called you because I asked him to. I noticed that he had a book, a religious book, in the classroom. He’s not permitted to read those books in my classroom. He said if I told him to put it away, you said not to do that. So please give me a call. I need to have some understanding on direction to him about the book he’s reading opposed to the curriculum for public school. Ms. S. Thomas. Thank you. Have a wonderful day. Bye, bye.”

^pretty revealing about who is telling the truth about free reading time, imo.
 
Second, so many of these stories get distorted by those looking to be treated favorably. Perhaps this time, the Christian parent is telling the complete truth, but I've seen so many times where that didn't happen that I am doubtful.

I tend to agree with this, in general, but this "news" report is horridly vague. I'm growing so tired of yellow, sensationalized reporting.

If it's a truly free reading time where the child can read anything at all, including material brought from home, then the teacher is wrong. If it is a free reading time from a group of books on a list or a shelf, the teacher is correct.

This pretty much sums it up. It would have been nice if the reporter had bothered to go further into this, but I can see how that would have totally destroyed the "story".

I do not have a problem with kid reading Bible, Quran, Book of Mormon or Satanic bible on his free time. Whatever makes him happy to read. Better than he would have his nose stuck into Ipad playing Minecraft or Sims.

Couldn't agree more. The history of the world, it's peoples, it's cultures, etc., as well as the future of the world, all revolve around religion and faith. What better way to learn about people, business, other cultures, etc. than by discovering and learning about another faith or religion? I've never understood the fear some people have about reading (or letting their kids read) scriptures or holy books from other faiths.

People usually don't like when camera crews show up to their house to bother them.

I'd like to know why they even bothered reporting the reaction of the husband. Please tell me what his reaction to a bunch of leeches invading his privacy, on his property no less, has to do with this "story"? The answer is nothing. Remind me to never bookmark that Miami news site.

What problem would this solve exactly?

Haha, my thoughts exactly. Thanks for your amazing input on the topic, Stroked. Solid stuff.

Surprisingly good responses from all.

The bible is boring, yo!
 
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