Reading the Bible in School

[Bronco70]

Oh, well that clears things up then. Maybe we should get a petition going, or an open letter from the forum? We can all sign it and let this teacher (hell, maybe every teacher in the US) know that they're doing it wrong, and all they need to do is have a five minute quiet time each morning. Can you imagine the impact this is going to have?!

You nailed it. Stoked specifically said every and all problems with our educational system can be permanently corrected with 5 minutes of free time. But you had the balls to call him to the carpet. Bravo to you!

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I tend to agree with this, in general, but this "news" report is horridly vague. I'm growing so tired of yellow, sensationalized reporting.



This pretty much sums it up. It would have been nice if the reporter had bothered to go further into this, but I can see how that would have totally destroyed the "story".



Couldn't agree more. The history of the world, it's peoples, it's cultures, etc., as well as the future of the world, all revolve around religion and faith. What better way to learn about people, business, other cultures, etc. than by discovering and learning about another faith or religion? I've never understood the fear some people have about reading (or letting their kids read) scriptures or holy books from other faiths.



I'd like to know why they even bothered reporting the reaction of the husband. Please tell me what his reaction to a bunch of leeches invading his privacy, on his property no less, has to do with this "story"? The answer is nothing. Remind me to never bookmark that Miami news site.



Haha, my thoughts exactly. Thanks for your amazing input on the topic, Stroked. Solid stuff.



The bible is boring, yo!

All of this.

 

[Stoked]

You nailed it. Stoked specifically said every and all problems with our educational system can be permanently corrected with 5 minutes of free time. But you had the balls to call him to the carpet. Bravo to you!

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Are you surprised?

 

[Stoked]

Oh, well that clears things up then. Maybe we should get a petition going, or an open letter from the forum? We can all sign it and let this teacher (hell, maybe every teacher in the US) know that they're doing it wrong, and all they need to do is have a five minute quiet time each morning. Can you imagine the impact this is going to have?!

I never said this teacher was right or wrong. So failed there, no surprise.

I see this as something that is only needed in certain schools depending on the unique problems that school has. It is also something that the principal should implement and not individual teachers.

But it is entertaining watching you, fixed and franklin act like fools in your attempts to insult me ever since I became a mod.

 

[moevillini]

Anybody know of any books, or even websites(Google is not really helping find any too interesting), that go in-depth about comparing average(as best as you can I guess) day-to-day life a student in different eras? The curriculum shifts seem to be well documented, and the shady characters behind that, but not any context for what happened from a individual perspective. What was this person allowed to do at recess? Allowed to read? Allowed to wear to school? What were lunch periods like. Dances? What clubs were allowed? What were the attendance policies? What was the limit to be thrown in In school suspension? What was it like having no policeman in the halls? No security cameras? Not needing parking permits or having the parking lots closed up during school so you can't leave? And on and on and on. Might be worth hanging onto those memories. Because really, outside of the Tom Sawyer getting flogged type schooling experience, and some stories about schooling life leading up to Brown v. Board from one perspective, what really carries on in the American public consciousness concerning the schooling experience? You are born in a certain time, programmed a certain way by your schooling experiences, you just think that's the way it is/or has to be.....I didn't realize so many things until a few years ago whenever I would talk to my dad about articles like this....he would give his 1960-70's L.A. public school boy perspective. Just completely different.

Public school sounds much worse to me now and I'm only about a decade removed from the system. Some of that is curriculum related, some control related, and a bit to do with the ubiquity of phones now and what that all entails. Straight nightmare.

Interesting question. I can offer the perspective of comparing my experience (similar era to your father in suburban Chicago) and my kids' who attended a different suburban public system in the 90's and 00's. In a lot of ways they were very similar - we both went to neighborhood schools that were within walking distance, grade school was k-5/6, then middle school/jr high then high school 9-12.

The BIGGEST difference was that when I was young kids went home for lunch in k-6. That was not so much the case for my kids, though my oldest two did come home in 1-2 grades as did many of their classmates.

In CLASS, the biggest difference was the seating arrangement. We always sat in rows - my kids' classrooms tended to group 4 desks together or in a U shape. They also did more group projects - when I was in school, there was very little group or collaborative work.

And of course, we didn't have computers. There was no copy and paste, we learned to take notes on note cards!

Their schools were also far more diverse than mine - both racially, ethnically and economically. In part, that just reflects changes that have taken place over time rather than any major difference in educational systems.

 

[TroutBum]

You nailed it. Stoked specifically said every and all problems with our educational system can be permanently corrected with 5 minutes of free time. But you had the balls to call him to the carpet. Bravo to you!

Stupid is as stupid does; so sayeth Momma.

Are you surprised?

That you're so desperate for approval that you feel the need to comment on subjects you know little to nothing about, and almost always come off sounding like dummy-Johnson? Nope, not surprised at all actually.

But it is entertaining watching you, fixed and franklin act like fools in your attempts to insult me ever since I became a mod.

"Attempts" he says... Lulz.

 

[Stoked]

Stupid is as stupid does; so sayeth Momma.



That you're so desperate for approval that you feel the need to comment on subjects you know little to nothing about, and almost always come off sounding like dummy-Johnson? Nope, not surprised at all actually.



"Attempts" he says... Lulz.

People often attack those that do not agree with them. Not surprising indeed.

I say attempts because it doesn't bother me. I have been called far worse than you can ever say on here. Fire away.

 

[moevillini]

I tend to agree with this, in general, but this "news" report is horridly vague. I'm growing so tired of yellow, sensationalized reporting.

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This pretty much sums it up. It would have been nice if the reporter had bothered to go further into this, but I can see how that would have totally destroyed the "story".

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I'd like to know why they even bothered reporting the reaction of the husband. Please tell me what his reaction to a bunch of leeches invading his privacy, on his property no less, has to do with this "story"? ...

good comments. particularly the first and last I quoted.

I also have a problem with a parent who specifically tells his child to disregard the request of the teacher. Way to teach your child respect. I wonder what that father would say if the teacher had said to the students "Now if your parents object to this assignment, tell them your doing it anyhow..."

not really knowing anything beyond what was reported here (which is undoubted intentionally vague) it's difficult for me to find much fault with the way the teacher handled this.

 

[TroutBum]

good comments. particularly the first and last I quoted.

I also have a problem with a parent who specifically tells his child to disregard the request of the teacher. Way to teach your child respect. I wonder what that father would say if the teacher had said to the students "Now if your parents object to this assignment, tell them your doing it anyhow..."

not really knowing anything beyond what was reported here (which is undoubted intentionally vague) it's difficult for me to find much fault with the way the teacher handled this.

Normally I wouldn't say anything (you know, you're like the board Grandma), but you also sent me this rep:

05-07-2014 09:57 AM
moevillini
Thread: Reading the Bible in School
good comments. couldn't have said it better myself. well, maybe I could of.

Go home Gramms, you're drunk.

 

[JimLes]

If I was the principal in an area that had frequent debates/problems about school in prayer this would be my solution. In areas where it never comes up then it is not needed.

The solution to the problem of not having prayer time in a public school? Whichever way you put it, this is just school mandated prayer time. You're not solving a problem, you're creating one. Saying "kids can do what they want with the time" isn't really making it any less of a school mandated prayer time.

 

[Stoked]

The solution to the problem of not having prayer time in a public school? Whichever way you put it, this is just school mandated prayer time. You're not solving a problem, you're creating one. Saying "kids can do what they want with the time" isn't really making it any less of a school mandated prayer time.

Even if they can specifically use that time for anything else they wanted? Such as sleep or talking?

I see that as the school, if it is even a problem in their school, as giving people the chance to pray if they want but by no means mandating it. It would also have to be individual prayer and not out loud. School faculty would be explicitly forbidden to lead or organize any religious activity.

 

[JimLes]

Even if they can specifically use that time for anything else they wanted? Such as sleep or talking?

Wait, so you're solving the problem of kids not sleeping or not talking? It's not about what the kids could do here, it's about why you want to introduce it to begin with. Which is prayer. The fact that you get an option to not engage in it doesn't make it any different.