Reading the Tea Leaves

[trigg3r]

I may make this a several part post so as not to lose the attention of those that don't like reading posts with multiple sentences.

Anyway, call it more of a gut feel, but I am getting a feel for who stays, who goes, what we do in the draft, trades, and FA.
Wow.. we have a brazillian options in front of us.

So I'm going to skip to the very end and over the coming days will explain why I feel the way I do.

Who stays;
Burke
Hayward
Rush
Kanter
Gobert
Harris

Favors and Burks get traded.
Between those trades, the available cap space/FA, and the draft, we pick up;
1) veteran stud PG (trade or FA)
2) defensive center (gsw pick netting Embiid or WCS - or from trade/FA)
3) A versatile scoring forward with our own pick (Randle or Parker)

Ty fired toward end of season or off season.

I know this post will be replied to with much vitriol.. it's okay. I have thick skin.. say what you mean and let's have some healthy debate and figure this out. Then we can look back and see how well we, collectively, saw the strategy.
(Again, I'll defend my thoughts as to how I arrived at the above predictions shortly.)

The bolded is really the only thing I disagree with. Not for the reason you might think though. Lindsey said something about Gail Miller loving Favors prior to them extending him. He said it kind of put him in a bit of a bind when he went to the table with Favors' agent. I think that Gail and even Greggy Boy will step in and halt any trade involving Favors unless Lindsey was blowing smoke up our *** when talking about that. Personally, I hope that Lindsey has all the authority necessary regarding basketball decisions. I am just not sure he does.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Ditto.


Let's be honest, if Gobert can add a little more size and strength (so he is not pushed around so easily) then we would want him playing 30 or so minutes a night. Also, Gobert is the only TRUE center that the Jazz have on the roster.

Also watch how dominant Embiid is by end of his freshman season... reminds me of Hakeem.

 

[Dr. Jones]

The bolded is really the only thing I disagree with. Not for the reason you might think though. Lindsey said something about Gail Miller loving Favors prior to them extending him. He said it kind of put him in a bit of a bind when he went to the table with Favors' agent. I think that Gail and even Greggy Boy will step in and halt any trade involving Favors unless Lindsey was blowing smoke up our *** when talking about that. Personally, I hope that Lindsey has all the authority necessary regarding basketball decisions. I am just not sure he does.

I'm not anti-Favors.... this has nothing to do with that.. but if Dennis has to deal with who the Miller's "like" we're in trouble.

 

[trigg3r]

I'm not anti-Favors.... this has nothing to do with that.. but if Dennis has to deal with who the Miller's "like" we're in trouble.

I agree. I hope if that moment comes, the Miller family will stay out of it. I hope they don't pull a LHM.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Ok ill play, but keep in mind I'm a noob.

I think we have our front-court of the future. And it would take massive regression for the FO to give up on Favors, especially in a tanking year with no PG. basically if he's not on the opening day roster next year it's because we amnestied him, because no one would even take his contract, he would have to be that bad IMO.

I'm not in the 'we need a PG' camp yet. I dont think we need an elite Rose, Westbrook, Rondo type PG. we need someone who: Can run the offense, run the pick and roll, get the ball to the bigs in the post, and keep defenses honest on the perimeter. Obviously we don't know of Burke can do that. But he should be able too. 14 and 8 for his career is perfectly acceptable numbers on this team. If he can do that, I say we keep him.

What we need is a number 1 scoring threat, and a lights out shooter. No reason to think we can't get that in a loaded draft and free agency year.

Burke
Hayward
2014 draft pick
Kanter
Favors

Gobert third big, Burks sixth man, Rush and FA/GS draft pick, shooters.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Ok ill play, but keep in mind I'm a noob.

I think we have our front-court of the future. And it would take massive regression for the FO to give up on Favors, especially in a tanking year with no PG. basically if he's not on the opening day roster next year it's because we amnestied him, because no one would even take his contract, he would have to be that bad IMO.

I'm not in the 'we need a PG' camp yet. I dont think we need an elite Rose, Westbrook, Rondo type PG. we need someone who: Can run the offense, run the pick and roll, get the ball to the bigs in the post, and keep defenses honest on the perimeter. Obviously we don't know of Burke can do that. But he should be able too. 14 and 8 for his career is perfectly acceptable numbers on this team. If he can do that, I say we keep him.

What we need is a number 1 scoring threat, and a lights out shooter. No reason to think we can't get that in a loaded draft and free agency year.

Burke
Hayward
2014 draft pick
Kanter
Favors

Gobert third big, Burks sixth man, Rush and FA/GS draft pick, shooters.

Good post.

Only thing I'll say re: Burke is I think we need an experienced PG (that's also very good) to run the team. That's not a reflection on Burke's ability to run the team, just high on my wish list to have a real leader on this team that the young guys trust completely.. especially absent a coach.

So what position would you target using the GSW pick and, more importantly, your FA cash?

 

[davidbenoit]

My more conservative 2 cents:

Burks is the only one with the potential to get traded. The jazz value consistency (and now defense) more than most teams and won't trade a defensive minded Favors and his now reasonable contract. I even see a Hayward sign and trade more likely than a Favors trade.

The core is intact. If any trade is going to happen it's going to be through continued asset collection (picks) and filler sent to teams looking to rebuild.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Good post.

Only thing I'll say re: Burke is I think we need an experienced PG (that's also very good) to run the team. That's not a reflection on Burke's ability to run the team, just high on my wish list to have a real leader on this team that the young guys trust completely.. especially absent a coach.

So what position would you target using the GSW pick and, more importantly, your FA cash?

I think we need a coach who can just teach the players the fundamentals of the game. Favors attacking the rim, Burks not making boneheaded passes, Kanter boxing out, etc.

Burke led his team to a national championship, so I actually think that from a pure leadership role he'll be fine. Tutoring the players I'll leave up to coaching.

I'm on my IPod, at work. So can't really comment on FA's without a list in front of me. But I just asked a question in the draft thread, whoever that player is, is who I want with the GS pick.

I would spend most of our cap space on keeping the team together.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

K, I want Gary Harris, James Young, or Aaron Harrison with GS pick (could trade up possibly.).

 

[davidbenoit]

So what position would you target using the GSW pick and, more importantly, your FA cash?

Don't mind if I do:

Combo guard or SG and Luol Deng

 

[cowhide]

I may make this a several part post so as not to lose the attention of those that don't like reading posts with multiple sentences.

Anyway, call it more of a gut feel, but I am getting a feel for who stays, who goes, what we do in the draft, trades, and FA.
Wow.. we have a brazillian options in front of us.

So I'm going to skip to the very end and over the coming days will explain why I feel the way I do.

Who stays;
Burke
Hayward
Rush
Kanter
Gobert
Harris

Favors and Burks get traded.
Between those trades, the available cap space/FA, and the draft, we pick up;
1) veteran stud PG (trade or FA)
2) defensive center (gsw pick netting Embiid or WCS - or from trade/FA)
3) A versatile scoring forward with our own pick (Randle or Parker)

Ty fired toward end of season or off season.

I know this post will be replied to with much vitriol.. it's okay. I have thick skin.. say what you mean and let's have some healthy debate and figure this out. Then we can look back and see how well we, collectively, saw the strategy.
(Again, I'll defend my thoughts as to how I arrived at the above predictions shortly.)

Actually PKM, I agree with most of your post. So perhaps the Jazz signed Favors to trade him. At first it doesn't make sense but after thinking about it, I think a team would want a young defensive young player who is locked in at a reasonable price.

I would trade Favors over Kanter simply because Kanter can score. If the Jazz were able to get WCS or Embiid losing Favors would n't matter. Besides Kanter is a PF and should not be playing C. Hopefully Gobert comes back with some muscle and weight to add to our center position.

Jazz draft our wing of the future (Parker/Wiggins)

I don't see why the Jazz would keep Harris or Rush. Harris is a Ty guy and Rush isn't the player he was and unless he drops 25 lbs and starts making 3 pts I don't see him being here. He is a free agent so perhaps you get him cheap but their is still some risk in bringing him back.

I agree if I were trading two of the core. Right now it would be Favors and Burks. I would even consider trading Burke if the Jazz can get back a proven PG.

I think it would be kind of slimy to not bring Ty back as the coach but I could see it happening. Right now I think there is a 20-30 percent chance Ty is back. Perhaps they could give him a position in the organization for his loyalty. I don't know. I don't think Ty is the right coach but I like him as a person.

Nice job PKM

 

[Dr. Jones]

I think we need a coach who can just teach the players the fundamentals of the game. Favors attacking the rim, Burks not making boneheaded passes, Kanter boxing out, etc.

Burke led his team to a national championship, so I actually think that from a pure leadership role he'll be fine. Tutoring the players I'll leave up to coaching.

I'm on my IPod, at work. So can't really comment on FA's without a list in front of me. But I just asked a question in the draft thread, whoever that player is, is who I want with the GS pick.

I would spend most of our cap space on keeping the team together.

I wish that were true.